Natalie,
Useful article. His last sentnece cold be strengthened by mentioning the
maintenance cost (including supervision) of keeping the waste out of the
ecosystem for at least several centuries. There's also the opportunity cost
of the land which takes it out of service for any other economic use (e.g.
farming)
Keith
At 22:51 26/02/2013, you wrote:
<http://www.nature.com/climate/2008/0810/full/climate.2008.99.html>http://www.nature.com/climate/2008/0810/full/climate.2008.99.html
Nuclear energy: assessing the emissions
Kurt Kleiner reports on whether nuclear power deserves its reputation as a
low-carbon energy source.
For decades nuclear power has been slated as being environmentally
harmful. But with climate change emerging as the world's top environmental
problem, the nuclear industry is now starting to enjoy a reputation as a
green power provider, capable of producing huge amounts of energy with
little or no carbon
emissions<http://www.nature.com/climate/2008/0810/full/climate.2008.99.html#B1>1.
As a result, the industry is gaining renewed support. In the United
States, both presidential candidates view nuclear power as part of the
future energy mix. The US government isn't alone in its support for an
expansion of nuclear facilities. Japan announced in August that it would
spend $4 billion on green technology, including nuclear plants.
But despite the enthusiasm for nuclear energy's status as a low-carbon
technology, the greenhouse gas emissions of nuclear power are still being
debated. While it's understood that an operating nuclear power plant has
near-zero carbon emissions (the only outputs are heat and radioactive
waste), it's the other steps involved in the provision of nuclear energy
that can increase its carbon footprint. Nuclear plants have to be
constructed, uranium has to be mined, processed and transported, waste has
to be stored, and eventually the plant has to be decommissioned. All these
actions produce carbon emissions.
Critics claim that other technologies would reduce anthropogenic carbon
emissions more drastically, and more cost effectively. "The fact is,
there's no such thing as a carbon-free lunch for any energy source," says
Jim Riccio, a nuclear policy analyst for Greenpeace in Washington DC.
"You're better off pursuing renewables like wind and solar if you want to
get more bang for your buck." The nuclear industry and many independent
analysts respond that the numbers show otherwise. Even taking the entire
lifecycle of the plant into account nuclear energy still ranks with other
green technologies, like solar panels and wind turbines, they say.
Life studies
Evaluating the total carbon output of the nuclear industry involves
calculating those emissions and dividing them by the electricity produced
over the entire lifetime of the plant. Benjamin K. Sovacool, a research
fellow at the National University of Singapore, recently analyzed more
than one hundred lifecycle studies of nuclear plants around the world, his
results published in August in Energy
Policy<http://www.nature.com/climate/2008/0810/full/climate.2008.99.html#B2>2.
From the 19 most reliable assessments, Sovacool found that estimates of
total lifecycle carbon emissions ranged from 1.4 grammes of carbon dioxide
equivalent per kilowatt-hour (gCO2e/kWh) of electricity produced up to 288
gCO2e/kWh. Sovacool believes the mean of 66 gCO2e/kWh to be a reasonable
approximation.
"The fact is, there's no such thing as a carbon-free lunch for any energy
source."
Jim Riccio
The large variation in emissions estimated from the collection of studies
arises from the different methodologies used - those on the low end, says
Sovacool, tended to leave parts of the lifecycle out of their analyses,
while those on the high end often made unrealistic assumptions about the
amount of energy used in some parts of the lifecycle. The largest source
of carbon emissions, accounting for 38 per cent of the average total, is
the "frontend" of the fuel cycle, which includes mining and milling
uranium ore, and the relatively energy-intensive conversion and enrichment
process, which boosts the level of uranium-235 in the fuel to useable
levels. Construction (12 per cent), operation (17 per cent largely because
of backup generators using fossil fuels during downtime), fuel processing
and waste disposal (14 per cent) and decommissioning (18 per cent) make up
the total mean emissions.
According to Sovacool's analysis, nuclear power, at 66 gCO2e/kWh emissions
is well below scrubbed coal-fired plants, which emit 960 gCO2e/kWh, and
natural gas-fired plants, at 443 gCO2e/kWh. However, nuclear emits twice
as much carbon as solar photovoltaic, at 32 gCO2e/kWh, and six times as
much as onshore wind farms, at 10 gCO2e/kWh. "A number in the 60s puts it
well below natural gas, oil, coal and even clean-coal technologies. On the
other hand, things like energy efficiency, and some of the cheaper
renewables are a factor of six better. So for every dollar you spend on
nuclear, you could have saved five or six times as much carbon with
efficiency, or wind farms," Sovacool says. Add to that the high costs and
long lead times for building a nuclear plant about $3 billion for a 1,000
megawatt plant, with planning, licensing and construction times of about
10 years and nuclear power is even less appealing.
<http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_carbon_footprint_of_nuclear_energy>http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_carbon_footprint_of_nuclear_energy
Natalia
On 24/02/2013 8:29 PM, Ray Harrell wrote:
How about farming? The Pol Pot alternative?
REH
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Carbon based energy sources?
M
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To what?
N.
On 24/02/2013 12:52 PM, michael gurstein wrote:
I'm not sure... depending on how you strike your frame of reference,
nuclear would seem to possibly be the least worst least risk
alternative...
M
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This has been suggested, from time to time, by those who cannot hazard
a guess as to potential for harm. The real message is--don't create it
at
all.
Natalia
On 24/02/2013 9:45 AM, michael gurstein wrote:
One thing I've always wondered is why no one seems to have suggested
just sending it off into space?
M
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At 09:12 24/02/2013, Pete wrote:
(PV) I disagree, in as much as problems at Hanford do not reflect
anything about the current state of nuclear technology.
Hanford is not a commercial power station, it is a federal research
establishment and part of the weapons infrastructure The closest
Canadian equivalent would be Chalk River, but there is really no
equivalent as we made no attempt to refine isotopes for weapons in
Canada.
(KH) Our equivalent in the UK is Sellafield with scores of waste
tanks (some
leaky) contaning radioactive liquids of long half-life that should
have been sequestered decades ago. One of the reasons why a solution
has not yet been found is the poor quailty of scientists and
engineers attracted to a career in nuclear projects. Whereas, 70
years ago, it took dozens of the world's most brilliant physicists to
construct the nuclear bomb, today, most UK universities (201 out of
203) eschew teaching nuclear engineering because they can't attract
students of any calibre. Our Nuclear Inspectorate has been under
strength.
(PV) But Chalk River was a reasearch institute active during the
early years of exploring nuclear energy, and it also has great
warehouses full of hazardous materials.
We have learned much from the activities in these projects, and no
one today would consider storing nuclear wastes as liquids in tanks,
certainly not from power plants, which shouldn't produce such material.
Canadian heavy water reactors, which I might remind you, can run
quite happily on what is considered the spent fuel of a US light
water reactor, typically run on unenriched uranium, which requires
no exotic processing to prepare, and when spent, in a CANDU reactor,
it is really quite spent, and can be prepared as a solid waste block
encapsulated in glass, and stored underground in the same mines from
which it was extracted, nested in gravel beds in the Canadian
Shield, where there is zero risk of groundwater contamination nor
exposure via earthquakes or whathaveyou.
(KH) I didn't know the above, but the point is taken -- apart from "zero"
risk.
(PV) I don't have any really strong opinions about the adoption of
nuclear energy one way or the other, but most criticisms I hear of
the industry just aren't up to speed with the current state of the
technology. Pointing at 60 year old mistakes as a reason to dismiss
the current technology makes no sense.
(KH) One 60 year-old mistake is that no insurance corp has yet agreed
to cover nuclear reactors. Another fact of the last 60 years is that
no civil engineering firm that has been all too eager to design and
build a reactor has yet agreed to run them and to supply electricity
at the price stated on the tin (that is, the low price that
politicians keep on telling us is the real price) -- or indeed to run
them at all. What's more -- considerably more -- is that the cost of
sequestering radioactive wastes year after year, or rather century
after
century, has never yet been estimated and published.
(Even glassified blocks, buried at very deep level has to be
inspected regularly so that its safety for hundreds of generations of
humans is
assured.) The long and the short of both of the above facts is that
nuclear power has had to be subsidised before, during, and after
construction. We've never been given the true costs of
nuclear-generated
electricity.
Keith
-Pete
On Sun, 24 Feb 2013, Keith Hudson wrote:
It was good to read this because I think it comes just at the right
time to permanently affect new build in the advanced countries. The
news of these leaks comes on top of the realization of universal
shale gas and ought
now to
finally stop the bleatings (and false propaganda) of the wannabe
power
station
constructors (who, be it noted, are not the slightest bit
interested in running them once built).
Keith.
At 21:56 23/02/2013, Natalia wrote:
Most of you have probably read this by now. Given what this news
reveals, how can more new builds of such plants be justified?
<http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57570857/wash-state-governor-6-u>http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57570857/wash-state-governor-6-u
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d
erground-nuclear-tanks-leaking/
Natalia
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