> Hi Ray,
>
> Once again, I've taken the liberty of modifying "Downturn . . . "
>
> Without wishing to be offensive because you're too nice a chap for all
> that, but I don't at all understand what you're saying below.
>
> Sorry!
>> Keith H

Arthur said:
>> To paraphrase Woody Allen who said most of life consists of just showing
> >up,
> >> maybe the most profound social change will take place when people don't
> >show
> >> up.
> >>
> >> arthur



Who are the ones who would not show up?   Why would they not show up?   What
would they be doing instead of showing up?    Would they ever, under any
circumstances, show up anyway?     Since I believe the act of showing up for
a war is illogical as well as immoral you have to ask about the quality of
those who do.
The worst moments of my life has been when economists changed the tax
structure and cut creative money out of my life.

If you want serious change that does more then just shuffle cash then you
need a serious culture.   You need people who care and who will demand that
all work be compensated and that a quality of life and work is good in its
own right for the health of the nation.    Since it seems that the consensus
is that a truly Lean business structure would only hire about 60% of the
work force then we have to say that private business is not capable of being
both Lean and achieving an employed work force.    That being the case it
follows that we either shoot those 40% or pay them to sit home or come up
with something for them to do.   How do we decide?

Well, if I decide for your kids then I am going to probably give my daughter
a better job.   Since I love mine more than yours.   On the other hand if
work has a different meaning,   say like Star Trek, then helping everyone to
escape the peril of "scale" and drudgery becomes even more important than
profit, or maybe profit just means something more than money.    As long as
you have a fluid underclass then money is profit and the pressure on the
middle and the children of the lower classes keeps them under control.
(They will lose their jobs.)    Also private enterprise becomes the primary
employer and considers its fat to be its donation to America.   "We create
jobs!"

 As long as you have people willing to work for next to nothing then the
upper end can be self-righteous and point to the immigrant as the only truly
virtuous worker.  Like the current people in the White House.    I'm not
against immigration, I'm just against paying them un- American wages.

These people love Renaissance Bankers but they praise the Renaissance and
then create in mono-syllables.   You might want to reference Renaissance on
Encarta or Britannica on that.   Things like the roots of opera and the
roots of accounting coming out of the same time and culture.   Are they
connected?   I believe they are, both culturally and intellectually.   But
today's bankers complain about culture rather than growing and understanding
it.   They simply want cash!   Cash is the only reason for work!  Cash is
the only reason for their lives!

There are many bad things to say about the Renaissance but the one good
thing that can be said is that groups like the Camarata in Florence came up
with great art, science and math considering that each was necessary to
being human.   Today we speak of work as if it is only one thing.  We say
that Art is not a necessity and we separate pleasure, the senses, from
science and math.

These people today would use a diamond for a golf ball.   In Spanish class
they teach children not to speak Spanish in the middle of a Spanish
neighborhood  because of economic class.   On the reservation in the middle
of the world's largest lead and zinc mining area they demand that children
study for the SATs that have no serious earth sciences section.   It is all
about removing uniqueness, talent and pleasure from life and work.  Plato
made the development of the perceptions (ART) the basis for his educational
structure.   It was not the artists who chose to go to Vietnam and it is not
the Artists in this moneyed society that play the games.   We earn to have
the money to create.    That is a far sight different from those who create
to earn money.

I guess it comes down to this.    If you are blind and decide to spit then
you had better have someone who isn't blind directing you.    That is what I
think about change.    Change is life but it can also be death.   You didn't
like Bobby Kennedy's rhetoric.   I didn't like it that much either although
I didn't take it seriously like you did.   I liked the impulse to humanize
things that I believe it represented for Peter.   The point for me is that
you must always balance the wisdom of tradition with the needs of the
present and the projections for the future.      As for the post below.
Think poetry!   Or like Dylan Thomas, just read it slowly aloud.

It is hard not to steal lessons.

REH



>
> At 11:55 28/05/01 -0400, you wrote:
> > >
> >
> >That is the reason for immigration.   When the second and third
generations
> >would refuse to work for garbage or tolerate a polluted or unsafe
> >environment or demand an aesthetic that was truly encouraging of
individual
> >freedom, expression and personal excellence then we bring people in who
> >don't care particularly for those things when compared to their love of
> >family and desire to send dollars home.
> >
> >Then we write books about modern American "culture" which basically means
> >everyone means different things when they use the English language which
in
> >return makes us paranoid about learning or using other languages since
> >English means so many different things to the "citizens."   (Who needs
> >another language when English can mean everything in the hands of so many
> >different ancient groups?)    Religion becomes just another Messiah to be
> >contemplated as the only reality and sold like a new car to replace an
old
> >"pagan" or just anachronistic jalopy.  And then we have books like
"Culture
> >Matters" which basically means that culture is in the way and therefore
it
> >is better to mix them constantly to make sure that they don't stop and
> >involve such things as altruism or sharing or a balanced environment, or
a
> >common outlook or too much demand for individual excellence.
> >
> >"Americans"  look at us very confused when we tell them they can't
"become"
> >Cherokee if they want since such things come so easily to them.
Immigrant
> >Americans are especially confused since we have the same ancient
connection
> >to our ways as they do to theirs.    They get upset when we say that they
> >must assume a past debt with their "American" citizenship like
reparations
> >or stolen property.   That was "someone" else's debt even if it is moral.
> >Of course a recent "immoral" debt like the 500 billion dollars or $10,000
> >for every U.S. citizen paid  to the banks in the Savings & Loan "Bait and
> >Switch"  is fine even though it  resembled a 19th century Indian Treaty.
> >They equate our processes of equality, balance and sharing with "being"
> >Cherokee and therefore they can't "do" them unless they "are" Cherokee by
> >conversion or immigration.
> >
> >But Cherokees are taught that ideas and processes are universal and
belong
> >to those who practice them.     They could begin (but won't) with the
> >awareness that knowledge means competence and that competence is the only
> >real power.   Then they could proceed from that to the awareness that you
> >"earn in order to make learning and realization of potential possible"
not
> >you "learn and realize potential in order to earn."   That is a big one
and
> >I don't think we will have many non-Cherokee "brothers" on that one
anytime
> >soon.  "Scale" is so built into non-Cherokee thought that we lost our
land
> >because we didn't practice it in 1880 when we were accused of being
> >"Georgists."     A word so uncomfortably close to the "Georgia" (and
> >Tennessee) volunteers who murdered our ancestors on the Trail of Tears as
to
> >be absolutely Freudian.
> >
> >Today is the day when we remember our War dead.   It is also a time when
I
> >must work to remind myself of the paradox of why it was worth it to save
> >those abroad while practicing the ways of our enemies at home against our
> >own "others."
> >
> >Ray Evans Harrell
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

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