Weed trees are an interesting concept.   
 
Have any of you ever hiked or camped in a mono-cultural woods?   It is a very strange place.   Especially if the companies have used any sort of herbicide or insecticide.   Sort of like a library filled with the same book.    
 
I would recommend a book "Americans & Their Forest, a Historical Geography" by Oxford scholar Michael Williams, (Cambridge U Press 1989) for a good overview of the issues.    
 
It seems that, like the Arts, there was more going on in serious conservation questioning in the mid to late 19th century than there has since.   On the face of it, such a statement seems farfetched but the above book documents the statement in the same way that the economists Frank and Cook documented the existence of 1,300 opera houses in Iowa in 1900.   Who would have believed such a thought?   Today we have the idea of agriculture and forestry as a "mechanical" systems, rather than biological, or at least that seems a kind of current goal.    It is attractive since machines are basically cheaper and less bother than their organic version so if you can reduce diversity and engineer things like square tomatoes that pack easier while not tasting too much worse then that is laudable.   This is the way they destroyed the wild rice crop.  
 
In my culture, forestry and agriculture are biological systems that interact with all of the rest of the systems on the planet.   That is where Harry misses the point on the oceans as well.    Something that I believe is not likely to be admitted in English.  It is not whether the oceans are dying but whether the changes being wreaked will continue life as we know it.    That includes us.    It is not whether the conservative approach is correct but whether the more liberal approach to global warming, the oceans, farm policy, and forests can nibble away at the systemic connections that maintain life as we know it.    It is obvious that there were survivors of the great Asteroid but life as known by the larger animals did not survive.   It seems to me that figuring out the systems, how they interact and what is necessary to maintain our lives is one version of avoiding an "asteroid like" calamity in the not so distant future.    Sort of like learning to drive the car before you begin to tinker with it on a freeway.    If we begin to think in such a fashion we also might have the foresight to turn all of those telescopes to the hunt for the next real "great asteroid" and how we might avoid the massive die off that happened with the dinosaurs.   Today we see as intellectually bereft as they in figuring out a way out of such a situation.     While at it we also might begin work on the super volcanoes spread around the world in the massive calderas like Yellowstone and in New Mexico's Sangre De Cristo mountains.    Volcanoes that are so huge that an explosion by one could create that same winter that could come from a Nuclear exchange or a giant asteroid.    Is it too much to ask that we not fritter away our lives in orthodoxies while we are being "stalked" by such catastrophes.     (Good heavens folks, didn't any of you grow up on superman?     Remember Krypton?   Sorry I just got carried away.    Always wondered how that related to the earlier Bagman version.)
 
For me it is more a matter of whether I want to live in a world that is alive with organic relationships or in a world where things are built around the concepts of mass production and a general aesthetic that I find ugly and unappealing.    Sort of like that art that you folks didn't like earlier in December.    Art is supposed to mirror truthfully the world.   In that sense I think the Artist did his job.   The elevation of the banal and the depression of the Ideal.  
 
Yes Harry, I agree that all life has a "right" to exist but that does not mean that all life is equally valuable to the system of the environment as a whole, especially when there is so much of the same thing.   In the 1930s it was the mono-culture on the plains that brought the great fires.   I would be interested in what the forests are like around Sydney.     I know that the fires in California spring from a refusal to exert control over the scrubbushes that contain a highly flammable chemical.  It is just not cost effective to solve, so a few houses are sacrificed each year to the God of Fire.    It doesn't take a socialist government to choose cost effectiveness.    Private companies do that just as well.   I'm truly sorry for Keith's son's house.   I will remember him in our ceremonials.    Indian people have always used fire and plant diversity to keep fire away from such dwellings.    I wonder why there are not such programs in effect, especially for times just like this?    Is this another situation like avoiding looking for the Asteroid or trying to figure out whether Yellowstone will explode next year or the next 100,000 years.    Especially since it is rising rather dramatically at the moment.    Oh well, we can worry about that when it happens. 
 
Does this not sound like modern police work, health care, education, etc?    It's not cost effective to avoid bad social situations that contribute to social decay, or drug resistant TB, or smaller classrooms with well paid highly trained teachers, etc.     Might the problem be a little deeper than a traditional government or growing transnational corporations?    
 
It seems to me in my post sixtieth birthday that if there is a deity responsible for the whole of reality that he/she/it would probably squash us like a runaway termite that cares little for the effect that we are having on the rest of life as we continue to explore our unlimited desires at the cost of just about every other life form in our universe.  
 
Regards in 2002
 
My student sang wonderfully tonight.   She added to the pleasure of the friends, relatives and other members of the audience and even got an offer for an audition in a major Broadway show.     I suspect that deity would have been pleased as well.    Beauty and Ideals were sustained at great cost in ancient Egypt but what is left seems almost to have been created by people from another planet rather than the current crop.    How did the descendants of the Greats lose their dreams?    I suspect it happened slowly as the people lost connection with the river and its gifts.    Today that cursed dam has even spread the shistomiasis so far that 40% of the entire population now has it.    How much better to have built large statues than a water machine that spread death and disease all over the world in the bowels of ship from the land of the Pharaohs. 
 
REH     
 
 
 
 
   
----- Original Message -----
From: Brian McAndrews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Harry Pollard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: futurework-scribe.uwaterloo.ca <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: economics, sense of values, perception of truth

> At 01:33 PM 1/2/2002 -0800, Harry wrote:
> >Note Brian's response, where he introduced the idea of "weed trees".
>
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> Sorry Harry, you've got the wrong guy. Being a teacher I asked you to do a
> critical review of Waring's book.
>
> Brian
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