It would seem that much of the anger comes not from the poor and downtrodden, but from relatively well educated young people from the middle and upper classes, many of whom have lived and perhaps studied in the west.  The young men who hijacked the 9/11 planes were not exactly peasants.
 
Ed Weick
 
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Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 8:05 AM
Subject: RE: Anger in politics

I have been reading these posts on anger in politics with great interest, and while the focus has been primarily on domestic situations, I find a parallel with the international situation. There is a tide of popular anger rising around the world, now being exacerbated by US actions in Afghanistan and threats against others. Corporate exploitation (a la Enron) is not new to peoples in the 'third world' and I would imagine that the level of suffering of the average 3rd worlder has increased significantly in the post WWII period. Yes, some countries have made PCI improvements, but this is not the only measure of well-being. Suffering can be psychological and spiritual, as well as economic and other things.  This is a tide of anger that should not be ignored by 'those in power', but probably will be.
 
Lawry de Bivort
 
 
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ray Evans Harrell
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 1:03 AM
To: Michael Gurstein; Futurework@Scribe. Uwaterloo. Ca
Subject: Re: Anger in politics

Hi Mike,
 
Is this an argument for wars?
 
Ray
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Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 10:25 PM
Subject: FW: Anger in politics

Hi Gail,
 
A brief reply to a very provocative note... At the bottom, I have the feeling that all politics is about "interests"--corporate, community, collective, personal--however you want to slice or dice it.  When "interests" are threatened no matter by whom or to what end, people get angry so the issue is not the anger but the interests.
 
I also have the feeling that some of the edges of the grand conflicts of our time, which were mitigated by the broad sweep of social democracy/social welfarism and the rising post WWII tide, have now begun for a variety of reasons (being explored by FW for example) to shift back to their more normal state of being raw and occasionally bloody.
 
The anger is a symptom of folks who are hurting and who feel rather let down that the social consensus which used to prevail and which they were more or less comfortable with, no longer holds and so we have the kind of thing quoted by Ed and the responses to Harris in Ontario.
 
MG
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From: G. Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: February 6, 2002 9:39 AM
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Subject: Anger in politics

Ed, Mike, Keith,
 
Having already a sufficient number of lines in the water on FW I don't want to add another or would be sending you this question on-list. (If, in response, you have a comment you'd like to put on-list, please don't hesitate. It's not a private question.)
 
Ed wrote: "what his government is doing is driven by a punitive and destructive ideology"  (re Gordon Campbell in B.C.) and I had recently had occasion to note on FW the "anger" with which the Harris government in Ontario had come into office and behaved.
 
The issue of "anger" in politics is coming to seem to me the source of more problems than ideology per se. Our political processes seem to legitimate and perhaps even foster anger -- the release of distaste, dislike and disrespect rather than the surge of empathy, compassion or thoughtfulness. The larger ties-that-bind seem to get lost. I find it increasingly frightening, likely to invite the growth of serious civil discontent and especially unfortunate in an age when so many issues concern the "commons."
 
Does it point, do you think, to a need to strengthening the integrative processes and temper the partisan or are such antipathetic emotions healthy, maybe even essential outlets, in a body politic? Democracies use the adversarial system deliberately and to good effect (e.g., parliaments and courts, the "balancing of powers" in the US, etc.) but by taking for granted that it is legitimate for leaders to govern "punitively and destructively" it sometimes seems to me we risk corroding the foundations of democratic politics that lie in fellow-feeling. Such leaders lose their capacity to represent "all the people" thus threatening the legitimacy of government itself. B.C. seems to me to verge on this from time to time. Were it a country and not "merely" a province, safe within the arms of a larger federation, I suspect it might be in difficulty in a system of government that requires the consent of the governed to make it work.
 
Perhaps all this is so self-evident as not to be worth mentioning but sometimes the necessary foundations of a situation become weakened through being taken so for granted they are not articulated?
 
Your wisdom on this, gentlemen?
 
Regards,
 
Gail
 
Gail Stewart
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