Title: Re: Dawkins (was Re: Into space (was Re: Hidden assump
At 8:36 PM +0000 2002/02/14, Keith Hudson wrote:
My take is that life is more important than homo sapiens, but as we're the
most advanced specimen of life so far on earth, then we should look after
our own long-term survival as best we can, even if it means colonising
other places at some future time to escape a super-volcano which might
destroy most species as well as ourselves.



Hi Keith,
Literally, without language there is no world. I am not trying to be clever; I'm  using language to describe how I understand what language is and what it does. The paradoxical nature of this task is obvious. Wittgenstein said "the limits of our language means the limits of our world". Think of your awareness of the world at age six months, two years old, twenty years old, fifty years old, ninety years old... Human consciousness brought language into being thus it brought the big bang into being (for some of us). As I mentioned in an earlier email, the big bang theory is only one of several 'origin of the universe' theories currently espoused by leading scientists. And what about other cultures whose understandings of things are utterly other than western science's understanding? For example the Dakota:


To the Reader
Admit, assume, because, believe, could, doubt, end, expect, faith, forget, forgive, guilt, how, it, mercy, pest, promise, should, sorry, storm, them, us, waste, weed- Neither these words nor the conceptions for which they stand appear in this book; they are the whiteman's import to the New World, the newcomers contribution to the vocabulary of the man he called Indian.  Truly the parent Indian families possessed neither these terms nor their equivalents". Ruth Beebe Hill, Hanta Yo, Warner Books, 1979 --
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Imagine not possessing (being possessed by?!) the concepts: believe, doubt, faith, because. I marvel at their certainty which I'm told came from their close association with the spirit world. Their ways of knowing stemmed from vision quest, dreams, 'listening to' and learning from all of what we call nature.

Take care
Brian McAndrews

ps language has become profoundly mysterious to me and these words don't in any way capture that mystery. How does the fly get out of the fly bottle? Are fish aware of water? How come some people can be so certain that scepticism is at the heart of western science?

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