Thanks, Ray.  I was going to write an apology to the list for having used
"Bleahhh!!" in my posting.  After I sent the posting, I felt like a little
boy who had just stuck his tongue out and made a dreadful noise at his
mother's tea party.  I wrote "Bleahhh!!" simply because I had run out of
time, had to catch a plane, and couldn't think of anything sensible to say.
No good, solidly smiting sentence would come to mind.

I'm now back from my travels.  I took a rather interesting book along with
me and read bits and pieces of it on the plane.  The book, dare I say it, is
Hayek's "Road to Serfdom".  What struck me about the parts I read is that
Hayek is a very good thinker and a very good writer, but he tends to tar
everybody with the same brush, or, more accurately, with two brushes.  One
brush is for liberals.  Anyone who is a liberal has to operate out of an
enthusiasm for self-interested individualism.  You can't be a liberal if you
don't keep government in its place; that is, running the post-office and
perhaps the army (and navy), but leaving the market entirely to itself.  The
other brush is for socialists.  Anyone who wants some restrictions on
self-interested individualism, whether for the common good or some more
nefarious purpose, is a socialist.  The guy who believes in publicly funded
and operated education available to all is a socialist along with Joseph
Stalin and Adolf Hitler.

I know I'm being unfair to Hayek, and will probably be pummeled for it.  He
wrote "Road to Serfdom" during a rather dark period of 20th Century history.
So to all Hayekians (as opposed to Keynesians), I promise I will put my
steel helmet on and read more.

Ed

Ed Weick
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> Ed,
>
> They just haven't gotten far enough along in the process yet.   They still
> think tobacco won't give you cancer either.  I listened to a
representative
> from the European market talking about how important tobacco was to their
> economies.   Not as much as all of those high medical bills will be
though.
>
> REH
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ed Weick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 5:08 PM
> Subject: Re: Privatizing the Public: Whose agenda?: At What Cost?
>
>
> > Thanks, Arthur.  Albrecht makes a great deal of sense.  Our public
> > institutions are under attack and there is a feeling abroad that this is
> > justifiable - that the great wheel has come around to where it should
be.
> > The program "Commanding Heights" which appeared on PBS recently seemed
to
> > pit Hayek against Keynes as the great gurus of the past century, and
> Hayek,
> > it would seem, prevailed.  It suggested that Reagan and Thatcher got it
> > right, ending Keynesian socialist experimentation and letting the market
> > prevail.  Bleahhh!!
> >
> > Ed
> >
> > Ed Weick
> > 577 Melbourne Ave.
> > Ottawa, ON, K2A 1W7
> > Canada
> > Phone (613) 728 4630
> > Fax     (613)  728 9382
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 9:07 AM
> > Subject: Privatizing the Public: Whose agenda?: At What Cost?
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > I am passing along for your interest the following from the net.
> > >
> > > The article was originally written about 1997 but seems relevant to
the
> > > thread.
> > >
> > >
> > > Arthur Cordell
> > >
> > > ===============================================
> > >
> > >
> > >    DEREGULATION, UNIVERSALITY AND SOCIAL COHESION
> > >
> > >       In the past 15 to 20 years, beginning with the airlines, we
> > > have witnessed a profound move to deregulation just about
> > > everywhere.  Pundits tell us that we achieve a more efficient
> > > allocation of resources if prices are brought into line with
> > > costs.  An added incentive to deregulate is that it will allow
> > > business to be more competitive in the new global business arena.
> > >
> > >       And the arguments for deregulation are correct, from an
> > > economic point of view.  But there are other values involved, as
> > > well as a view of community to be considered.  As we privatize
> > > public functions, as we deregulate to cut costs and be
> > > competitive we are undermining a way of life for many communities
> > > as well as a way of life for many who consider themselves to be
> > > middle class.
> > >
> > >       Consider telephones for example. For a cluster of reasons,
> > > pricing in telephones has been based on cross-subsidization.
> > > Prices were set in such a way that, subsidized by long distance,
> > > most residential users could afford to have a telephone.  Not the
> > > most efficient use of resources, agreed.  But in the old pricing
> > > model, or most pricing models that strive for universality via
> > > cross-subsidization, the outcome was one that leaves participants
> > > feeling as though they are part of the same community.  A social
> > > goal was met. Access was ensured.
> > >
> > >       With deregulation and competition, cross-subsidization
> > > declines as a factor.  Rate structures change.  Some think the
> > > change will be slight, others claim the change will be more
> > > extreme, especially over time.  As residential rates climb there
> > > will be those who can no longer afford to have telephone
> > > connections.  Well, as the deregulators say '...get the basic
> > > residential service rates right and take care of poor people with
> > > direct subsidies, just as we do with food and medical care.'
> > >
> > >       The not-so-welcome twin of deregulation seems to the increasing
> use
> > > of the means test.  People who have had access to the phone all their
> > > lives can now either pay more for access or can do without or can do
as
> > > the deregulators suggest--apply for a direct subsidy.  Consider what
> this
> > > does to our notion of community.  What happens when we create an A
Team
> > > (those who can pay) and a B Team (those who must be subsidized)?  Is
it
> > > that important to encourage market forces to such an extent that we
> create
> > > a new group of people who must apply for a subsidy thereby admitting
> they
> > > are part of the B Team, the growing underclass who can't pay their
way?
> > > And what is the future for the B Team--a group that is growing in
number
> > > but losing in power.  A group that surely must be trembling when
> > > governments in almost every jurisdiction threaten cuts here and there
in
> > > their fumbling comic/tragic attempts to balance the budget.
> > >
> > >        So even if, as the deregulators urge, '...we take care of poor
> > > people with direct subsidies..,' a serious question is: Will those
> > > subsidies continue. We all know that 'what the State giveth, the State
> can
> > > taketh away.' So deregulation, besides stripping people of their
> dignity,
> > > may not be a long term solution after all.
> > >
> > >       And what about privatization and deregulation in other areas
> > > of society?  What happens when we privatize garbage collection?
> > > Will those living furthest away from the land fill sites pay the
> > > higher prices?  In a move for prices to reflect cost will a
> > > privatized fire department (and maybe ambulance and police
> > > service) charge more to go to certain areas of the city or
> > > county.  Or will we find that as with transportation deregulation
> > > some areas are no longer served?  Small towns have lost air and
> > > rail connections.  Sure, the bus and the private car can always
> > > fill in--most times and for most people.  But what about that
> > > sense of connectedness that binds and underpins nation and
> > > community.
> > >
> > >       What about the future of a one price policy for posting a
> > > letter within a jurisdiction?  Here too a deregulated postal
> > > service will scream for changed postal rates since in this case
> > > the subsidization is the opposite of the telephone system: the
> > > local postal rates presumably subsidize long distance.  In a
> > > Fedex world, where all postal service is privatized, what happens
> > > to those in small communities, in remote areas?  Do we just say
> > > sorry but it is no longer efficient to serve you any longer?  Or
> > > if we do provide service it is at a rate that is not affordable
> > > by most?  Or do we say, sure we can subsidize your postal service
> > > but it must be on a case by case approach and first you have to
> > > show that you can't afford to have postal service.
> > >
> > >       Universality is another way of saying economic development.
> > > It means reasonable access to a host of services: potable water,
> > > education K through 12, libraries--access to a social and
> > > physical infrastructure.  Where payment for services has been
> > > required, regulations were put in place to ensure that the high
> > > cost areas (the small communities, the out of the way areas,
> > > etc.) could still be served, could still be included--they were
> > > subsidized by the payments from the low cost areas where prices
> > > were substantially above costs.
> > >
> > >       Cross-subsidization underpins the transportation system in
> > > North America.  Creation of a transportation infrastructure was a
> > > nation-building exercise: canals, railroads, highways and an
> > > airline system.  A way of denoting a jurisdiction, a way of
> > > defining community.  Cross-subsidization and regulation were
> > > harnessed to create a system where the strongest takes care of
> > > the weakest; the wealthier subsidize the poorer.  With
> > > deregulation we are moving away from cross-subsidization.  We are
> > > moving away from universality.
> > >
> > >       Our society is backing away from universality in a number of
> > > areas.  The market agenda driven by the mantra of the need to 'be
> > > competitive in a globalized world' is leading to an outcome that
> > > takes us back in time.  To a time of class distinction.  To a
> > > time of the rich and the poor.  To a time before the broad middle
> > > class was created.  The middle class upon which so much of the
> > > mythology of North America and Democracy is based.
> > >
> > >       The net effect is more than damage and hardship to
> > > communities and individuals.  We are also giving up many of the
> > > hard-won gains of economic development.  If we are not careful,
> > > we may find ourselves with many of the features we now ascribe to
> > > the third world: a two-tier society, lack of universality, upward
> > > mobility blocked, etc.
> > >
> > >       When all is said and done.  When full deregulation has come
> > > to pass.  When the market solution is used in all areas.  When
> > > universality has been broken beyond repair.  What then?  We'll
> > > have a host of people added to the underclass no longer able to
> > > participate in everyday affairs; another group living on
> > > subsidies of one sort or another at the whim of government budget
> > > fiascoes; and another group--the top half or top third of the
> > > population who will say: problems?  what problems?
> > >
> > >       Society today is engaging in a series of small decisions.
> > > Step after step after step.  With each move we don't seem to
> > > realize the consequences of our actions.  As we undo
> > > universality, as we undo the elaborate cross-subsidization
> > > schemes I fear we will discover that in our striving for
> > > competitiveness and efficiency, we have undone those very
> > > pricing schemes that built communities and nations.  The very
> > > pricing schemes that have helped to sustain a comfortable middle
> > > class way of life in North America.
> > >
> > >       Regulation and associated pricing schemes all too often seem
> > > to be illogical.  But the intent is one where cross-subsidization
> > > is created and endured because it serves a broader social
> > > purpose: that of inclusion.  Deregulation and the quest for ever
> > > more efficient market solutions poses, for me, the greater cost
> > > (agreed one that cannot easily be measured): the risk of
> > > exclusion.  If economics is about trade-offs, then I think we
> > > should take a closer look at what we are trading off in the name
> > > of economic rationality.
> > >
> > >       Many of the ideas and arguments of the deregulators can be
> > > persuasive, but in our quest for efficiency, competitiveness and
> > > preparing for globalization we should be cautious.  The gains of
> > > deregulation may be illusory.  I suggest that when all costs and
> > > benefits are brought together in society's balance sheet--the
> > > social bottom line, we may find that the great privatization and
> > > deregulation effort has been one that has created more losers
> > > than winners and that the biggest loser of all has been the
> > > public interest.
> > >
> > >
> > > M.D. Albrecht  (1997)
> > >
> > > ======================================
> > >
> >
>

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