Chris pursues his one-way drive to silliness... I indicated in my last email to you Chris that I had made the judgement that you are not worth spending time and effort on. You cannot learn, and, IMO, you contribute little. Your presence on this list -- open to all -- simply does not compel me to interact with you.
Just to be sure, I want members of this list to know that I have nothing against the Swiss, and do not view Chris as a 'typical' Swiss. I have spent much enjoyable and useful time in Switzerland and have over the years had literally dozens of close Swiss friends and hundreds of casual acquaintances. I can safely say that none of them have displayed the kind of insularity, hubris, and unjustified self-certainty that Chris demonstrates here so consistently and relentlessly. To my non-European colleagues on this list, I hope you will not judge the Swiss people or the country by what Chris demonstrates. Now then, Chris, you asked me for the information on how to contact people. I did not and will not send it to you because, frankly, I don't think you have the interpersonal or communication skills or the curiosity to pursue it without insult to and time-wasting for anyone who is different from you. As I offered generally to members of this list, I have indeed responded to everyone who queried me for this information (except Chris), and have had several interesting and productive follow-up exchanges off-list. (If, as I said in an earlier email, you have contacted me for this and I have not responded, please email me again. I have temporarily changed computers and location and have some emails that were downloaded to the previous one, nor readable from here.) To pick up on a secondary bit of nonsense from Chris, below, this is not about "making" people talk. It is about mutual dialogue and learning, and about establishing the trust and respect that is needed to achieve those. (I suspect that Chris is the only one who did not understand this.) I remain happy to share my thoughts on how to contact and interact with people who are 'different' (even 'threatening'!) with anyone who emails me about this. I propose Chris, that we just ignore each other. That way, we both and all other members of this list will save time. Good luck to you, Chris. Lawry > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Christoph > Reuss > Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 7:36 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: Sociology/Victimology 101 and LdeB... (was Re: Beating a > dead Burqa) > > > Lawry de Bivort wrote: > > I have only > > insisted that talking with the people that some so willingly > criticize for > > their personal and social practices is vital to understanding these > > practices -- and should be done before condemning them. > > Another misrepresentation. Where, please, did I condemn the _wearers_ > of burqas ?? If anyone, I condemned their oppressors and the accomplices > of them. > > > > It is so sad that the common reaction to being presented with > different PoVs > > is to attack, deny, or seek to get rid of the irritant. > > That's what Lawry is doing to me on this list. So sad indeed. > > > Btw I note that Lawry de Bivort, contrary to his announcement on the list, > did not provide the "how-to" about asking burqa-wearers to me (although I > took his offer). Seems he promises a bit too much. (What a cheap excuse > that the how-to be "individual-, motive-, communication skill-, > and location- > specific" -- why not simply tell what _he_ did to make them talk?) > > Chris > >
