Harry,
 
Since we are into homilies, a Swedish colleague of mine working with the Lutheran World Federation's vocational tech center in Beit Hanina [ http://www.poica.org/casestudies/beit-hanina25-9-01/ ] , was asked by an Israeli census worker as to when he came to Israel. My friend stopped him and said , "I didn't come to Israel. Israel came to me. "
 
Israel has existed at 2 points in time for about 65 years the  first time and around 54 years this time. The Palestinian population has been in the area for a couple of thousand years and 7% of that population at the time of the 1893 World Zionist Council was Jewish AND Palestinian.
 
Bill Ward
 
 
On Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:03:29 -0700 Harry Pollard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>
> Karen,
>
> What a great piece of work. Excellent! (Even the gifting!)
> (Especially the
> gifting.)
>
> Definitely an A.
>
> However!
>
> As you know, my favorite story concerns the scorpion who crossing
> the
> Arabian desert comes to a river. He asks a nearby frog to take him
> across.
> "No" says the frog. "You would sting me if I let you get close."
>
> "If I did that," said the scorpion, "we would both drown." That
> seemed
> reasonable to the frog. The scorpion climbed aboard and halfway
> across the
> river, he stung the frog. Screamed the frog "Why did you do that?"
>
> Said the scorpion with a shrug, "It's the Middle East."
>
> I'm afraid that's what reason and common sense are up against.
>
> More to the point, the problem on the West Bank is that their are
> two
> organizations running it. One is the official government, led by
> Arafat.
> The other is the Mafia, better known as Hamas. The Mafia are those
> who can
> get you a bite to eat when you are hungry, get you a job when you
> are
> unemployed, and suchlike.
>
> Perhaps similar to the IRA in Northern Ireland among the Catholic
> population.
>
> Hamas are mostly in the Gaza, though it seems to inhabit the famed
> refugee
> camp.
>
> Hamas also sends the bombers. Although Arafat does "round-ups" from
> time to
> time, I doubt he - even with the best of intentions - could winkle
> them out
> of their enclaves.
>
> And I'm not sure he can exhibit the best of intentions, for can he
> afford
> seriously to annoy Hamas? They have committed a few assassinations
> of
> Palestinian leaders on occasion.
>
> And remember the Arab leaders' intention - to sweep the Israelis
> into the
> sea replacing Israel with Palestine.
>
> That hasn't changed.
>
> Inasmuch as the Israeli "deterrence" has killed or captured Hamas
> leaders,
> it may make them think twice.
>
> Before continuing what they do.
>
> Politically, it may cause the Israelis to feel a bit better.
> Something is
> being done.
>
> Harry
> _______________________________________________________
>
> Karen Cole wrote:
>
> >Harry wrote: Devorah and Karen, If either of you two ladies
> replaced Sharon,
> >what would you do to stop the procession of the suicide bombers? 
> There's a
> >simple one for you.
> >Harry, is the assumption in your sentence that Sharon's deterrence
> is
> >preventing suicide bombers?
> >
> >Off the top of my head, I'd say that Israel needs to do something
> dramatic
> >and symbolic to prove that it is serious about stopping the
> violence and
> >serious about making a future for itself that does not depend on
> bullets and
> >walls to survive.  Deterrence alone cannot sustain Israel, and Bush
> needs to
> >learn that lesson quickly.  Sometimes it takes something unexpected
> and
> >risky to change a mindless cycle of destruction and
> self-destruction.  It's
> >like being on drugs, you do things you'd never do sober.
> >
> >First, if I was a new Golda Meir, I would remove the fake
> settlements that
> >have been established in construction trailers on cell phone line
> roads.  I
> >read that they were going to do this but haven't seen that it
> happened.
> >Anyone know?  Devorah?  Then I'd take a deep breath and close and
> >consolidate established settlements that have been deliberately
> overbuilt
> >into a few viable and defendable ones, as a compromise to the
> radicals in
> >Israel who feel it is their moral right to steal land from others. 
> Promise
> >that the gov't will participate in a long and tedious process of
> determining
> >the rightful property owners, instituting payouts for those who no
> longer
> >want to live inside enemy territory.  It should be cost-effective.
> >
> >At this point, I'd be threatened by mutiny at the Knesset and in
> need of
> >more bodyguards.  BUT ISRAEL MUST DECIDE TO RID ITSELF OF WHATEVER
> IS
> >COUNTERPRODUCTIVE TO ITS EXISTENCE, NOT JUST ENEMIES WITH BOMBS. 
> IT MIGHT
> >SURVIVE AS A MILITARY STATE, BUT IT CANNOT THRIVE.  Israel has
> education,
> >infrastructure and technology that its neighbors don't and these
> will be the
> >survival tools of the future, not their oil.  I'd pursue more
> productive
> >economic experiments, such as the ones funded by the businessman
> Stef W.
> >with projects in Aqaba and the IMF zone, New Marshall plans,
> finding jobs
> >for displaced settlers and displaced refugees.  I'd publicize every
> jobs
> >achievement I could and ask the UN and IMF for as much assistance
> as
> >possible.  Open the door to economic opportunity.  PLANT A VISION
> but also:
> >1. Establish borders that are defensible.  Do not overreach.  Greed
> is bad
> >for survival.  Remember Rome.
> >2. Declare a ceasefire and truce for 15 days and hunker down.  Ask
> the local
> >media for cooperation in building a psychological timeout.
> >3. Announce plans for a summit in a neutral place in less than 1
> week, so
> >fast your opponents in the Knesset couldn't mobilize against you. 
> Go with
> >an open mind and listen.  Give a small treasure, some very personal
> gift,
> >like a chess game or jewelry you inherited, as a personal symbol of
> your
> >commitment, to the person designated as your equal in negotiations.
> >Something from a holy site?  Find a small thing that can be agreed
> upon by
> >both sides and do whatever it takes to accomplish it within 3
> weeks.  Like
> >transfer the withheld payroll monies to a UN account if its being
> held in
> >Israeli banks making money off the interest.  Publicize the success
> of the
> >summit and accomplishment of baby step #1.  Especially on step #1,
> act like
> >a super salesman: Underpromise.  Overdeliver.
> >4. Extend the ceasefire for 15 more days.  Do not retaliate, but
> publicly
> >reserve the right to do so if the goodwill established by your
> gesture and
> >hard work are not valued with an end to the suicide bombers.
> >5. Identify baby step #2: Hold out a carrot, like resumption of
> jobs within
> >Israel for those with work permits, if the 2nd ceasefire is not
> violated.
> >6. Shout down the radicals in the Knesset reminding them that an
> eye for an
> >eye has contributed to the slaughter of the survivors of Hitler's
> pogroms
> >and gas chambers.
> >7. Promise to resign if the change does not yield peaceful results
> in 30
> >more days.  State to both outsiders and insiders that the goal is
> mutual
> >recognition of sustainable and separate states.  Keep the ceasefire
> going.
> >8. Do not give the enemy reasons to say that you have backed down
> on your
> >dramatic change of tactics.
> >9. Announce plans for a longer summit, at the end of the ceasefire,
> stating
> >the goal is to build a framework for more baby steps for both
> sides.  Show
> >up and have lots of experienced peace brokers on hand.
> >10. Prepare to be assassinated.
> >
> >Even if this playbook fails, there might be 60 days in which both
> sides
> >could rest from the endless cycle of violence, grief, mourning,
> anger and
> >fear.  Maybe more people will imagine the possibilities and
> opportunities.
> >Sleeping through the night might be a fresh way to start.  BEGIN A
> PROCESS
> >AGAIN SO THAT PROCESS BUILDERS HAVE A CHANCE, and war as an answer
> seems
> >costly, wasteful and backwards. There is surely enough exhaustion
> and
> >growing threat of economic collapse to give something like this a
> chance.
> >
> >Almost forgot:
> >11. Do not issue visas to American tourists for 6 months.  Keep
> those
> >fundamentalist Christians with their US flags out of the country. 
> Israel
> >will be in nation-state rehab and doesn't need to be tempted by
> people who
> >want it to be a in constant state of drugged holy war to sustain
> their
> >beliefs, people who are not willing to live there and pay the same
> price as
> >its citizens do.  Send those yellow-bellied holy rollers home. 
> Invite them
> >back when they can spend their money at your beach resorts and arts
> >festivals.  Better yet, build casinos and duty-free shopping malls
> to become
> >the Hong Kong of the ME.
> >
> >Seriously, any Israeli government that cannot honestly admit that
> it has a
> >fundamentalist "Taliban" problem is no better than Saudi Arabia or
> the US,
> >for that matter.  Treat them like telemarketers - they're not
> welcome at the
> >dinner table.
> >Israel should state that it will honor a legitimately and
> democratically
> >elected Palestinian Authority, release all the withheld payroll
> funds and
> >promise to work towards a future of shared distrust with strong
> borders as
> >long as the suicide bombings end and the ceasefire is maintained.  
> Then,
> >let the natural markets of economics take hold.
> >I do not believe that there will be any real progress in the I-P
> issue
> >dividing the ME today unless jobs and productivity are addressed
> seriously,
> >not just as election issues.  A dramatic and symbolic gesture is
> needed by
> >the Israel government as well as by the Palestinians.  It's a
> matter of
> >survivability and that is supposed to be a hallmark of the Jews. 
> ISRAEL HAS
> >PROVED THAT IT HAS MUSCLE, NOT JUST BRAINS, BUT NOW IT MUST PROVE
> IT HAS
> >WISDOM.  THE PEOPLE WHO ONCE UTTERED NEVER AGAIN MUST NOW SAY
> ENOUGH AND
> >READJUST THIS TIME NOT 360 BUT 180 DEGREES.
> >And if these things don't work, Israel should build a wall around
> the
> >country, lock its borders, survive on its own for 20 years (like
> the
> >Japanese hiding out for 200) and see if still likes itself then.
> >
> >I guess I'd like to know who are doing all the jobs that the
> Palestinians
> >were doing before the Intifada?  Have they been taken by unemployed
> Israelis
> >or are they unfilled and contributing to lack of productivity in
> the Israeli
> >economy?  Do the Israelis really want those workers back?
> >
> >I realize that I'm going to be inundated with posts pointing out
> that I'm
> >not Dennis Ross, George Mitchell, Kofi Annan, Rabin or Peres,
> Mother
> >Theresa, the latest celebrity chef or the Prince of Peace and these
> >suggestions are just not going to work.  I yield to the more expert
> among
> >you.  But it seems from an analytical woman's point of view that
> something
> >dramatic from the targeted puts the assaulters off balance and
> opens the way
> >for a change in direction.  Take the rhetorical ammunition away
> from Hamas
> >and Fatah.  Maybe then they will be seen for the radicals that they
> are,
> >extremists not interested in governance, just violence.  If people
> are
> >backed into a corner, they usually come out swinging their fists. 
> Here is
> >where a little ancient Chinese military and philosophy may be in
> order.
> >
> >Both of these peoples are targets, both of them victims.  Which one
> is big
> >enough to take the first step to a bomb-free sanity?  That would be
> heroic.
> >Retaliation and deterrence may be one answer, but they are not
> sustainable.
> >Harry, I've spent too long having fun with your challenge, but the
> elves did
> >not finish my To Do List for me.  Next time, don't add "there's a
> simple one
> >for you" and maybe I won't reply at such great length.  Please
> don't ask me
> >what the Palestinians should do.  Your obedient student, Karen
>
>
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> Harry Pollard
> Henry George School of LA
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