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From: "Harry Pollard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Ray Evans Harrell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Karen Watters Cole"
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Cc: "Brad McCormick, Ed.D." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Keith Hudson"
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Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 2:09 PM
Subject: Re: Still dissenting (was I would be ashamed)


Harry you said:

> Ray,
>
> First, let me say I'll take full credit for that magnificent rant you
threw
> at me. I sent you a two line quip, and you replied with an essay on
> education. If I can do that, my job is done!

What "job" is that Harry?

>
> This column is somewhat typical of what passes for political journalism.
> One is caught up in an endless series of accusations, that may be
> buttressed by one truth. The implication is that as this is true,
therefore
> everything is true.

That is a typical process found in most Journalism these days.   However, as
Arthur's Rosenbaum article points out, the left is a place of disappointment
inhabited by "pusherkes" and smart alek "Know it alls"   but the right has
its roots in fascism, the Civil Rights of Bull Conner and the freedom of
expression of Julius Streicher.    All I am asking and have asked is that
the law be followed in letter and spirit.   I would even have gone along
with impeaching Bill Clinton if the Republicans hadn't walked on such a wild
lawless side in Iran-Contra.    Walsh is an Oklahoman and so am I of that
type.   North is a war criminal and should be in jail and would be if you
had a decent international court with teeth.    The only reason you don't
have a continuing Apartheid in America is that the West had to prove that we
were more idealistic than the Communists.    Don't tell me about the
genocide.   Unlike most of dummy America, I knew about the kulak massacre's
when I was seven years old as did anyone who grew up in a family who went to
college in former Indian schools in Oklahoma.

>
> I know that had there not been Iran Contra there would have been no drugs
> in Los Angeles, would there? As I understand it, Iran Contra dealt with
> Iran and the Contra - not Guatemala. I go along with Ollie North's comment
> when a Senator asked 'what do you think of the idea of selling (out of
> date) Tow missiles to Iran and then using the proceeds to fund the
Contras?'

That is truly beneath you Harry.   North should be in jail.    As for
Guatemala, look it up in the NYTimes Archives.   The fundamentalists and
Reagan are up to their neck in that atrocity with Ephron Rios Montt the
darling of the right continuing the same policies of the US, in  19th
century America, but this time in El Salvador and  Rios Montt's Guatemala.

> Ollie said: "I thought it was real neat."

Oliver North is a War Criminal as were his superiors.    As an American
citizen that he worked for and represented in the government, it is my
responsibility to do everything in my power to point that out and if I am
ever given the power I will incarcerate him for the people that he helped to
kill Indian people in Central America.   He's a bigot and culpable.

> The Democratic Congress also funded the contras. Problem was that they
> would send money, then stop it. Then send some more, then stop it.  They
> should have funded the contras properly, or sent nothing.

You have bigots in the Democratic party as well they used to be called
Dixiecrats but most of them are now Republican.

But, that's
> typically Congressional. Reagan got them support during the Congressional
> dry period. As is usually the case, both sides left much to be desired.
>
> However, was it Patton who said: "They may be bastards, but they are our
> bastards."
>
> I'll just pick up one point from the disorganized tirade below - written
no
> doubt to be lapped up by Democrats eager for anything that condemns
> Republicans. Parry said:
>
> PARRY:  "So, for instance, relatively little attention was given to the
> Bush campaign's financing of hooligans who were dispatched from the
> Republican congressional offices to Florida to organize rowdy
> demonstrations, including a riot outside the offices of the Miami-Dade
> canvassing board as it was trying to start a hand recount of votes on Nov.
22."
>
> The counting in Miami-Dade (and all the contested counties) was run by the
> Democratic canvassing board. During the counting a Republican sat with
them
> to check their counting. Behind them were seats for official observers and
> the Press.


Finally, it is not and never was us versus them or shouldn't have been.   It
should have been about counting all of the votes including the intent of the
voters.     And if that was done let the chips fall where they may.   But
Florida seems to be a crony capitalist country of the Southeast Asia variety
like Texas.

Ray Evans Harrell

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