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----- Original Message -----
From: Ed Weick
Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 12:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Futurework] Re: Not ideological (was More crap again)

REH in black. Ed Weick in whatever color this is.

A couple of points.

1. The process of going out of print with cheap paper has caused a large
number of books to go the way of the celluloid movies.

Ever so many of them should probably not have been printed in the first place. I have a large collection on shelves in our basement that should be thrown out, but I haven’t had the heart to do it yet, perhaps because of something I was taught about respecting books as a child.

 

I was taught the same and have the same problem except I have two rooms and books doubled shelved.

2. The Internet computerization of all print with a complete search engine
has the potential to bring about a real renaissance for the first time in
human history but with the power of capitalist money it could be available
only to those who can afford it and therefore will become a tool of
oppression.

Take a look at http://www.questia.com/, a virtual library of 70,000 or more volumes. You have to pay to use it, but the personal cost isn’t much more than the costs of accessing an ordinary library (gas, bus tickets, parking, fines, etc.), and the public costs are probably considerably less than building and maintaining ordinary libraries.

 

Thanks,  I looked, liked and signed up.

3. China during Kublai was the most tolerant religious society ever seen
before or since with all of the religions of the world living in peace under
the sword of the great Khan.

I’ve recently done some research on the Khazars, a Turkic people who converted to Judaism. They were pretty tolerant too, as were the Moghuls in India. When in India years ago, I heard that one of the Moghul emperors demonstrated his tolerance by taking three wives, a Christian, a Moslem and a Hindu. I do hope they enjoyed each other’s company.

There was not tolerance but total religious freedom to live and prosper but NOT to proselytize which was considered spiritual war.    I think that guy in Yemen felt the same way about those missionaries although considering the Moslem's history of proscelytization he is a hypocrite.


4. It is the West's worship of individualism that is the issue, not
whether China and the other Asian countries were up to them. China had the
printing press hundreds of years before Europe. Europe knew it, why
didn't they use it?

The printed word can be dangerous, serving the purposes of the church and state, and excluding others. And the printed word is not the only way of preserving memory. In the 1970s I was at a hearing in the Mackenzie Delta at which a Gwich’in elder told a story about a very sudden and very great flood that imperiled his ancestors. A geologist was there with me, and he and I concluded that what the elder was talking about may have occurred at the end of the last ice age, six or seven thousand years ago, when an ice barrier that separated the Porcupine River basin from the Mackenzie Delta broke. How’s that for memory?

There are, of course, many flood stories. Two American academics, William Ryan and Walter Pitman, argue, in "Noah’s Flood", that the filling of the Black Sea at the end of the last ice age gave rise to great flood of Genesis and the Epic of Gilgamesh, both of which would have existed as oral traditions long before they were written down.

Ed

In the brain the literate and non-literate brains have different wiring.    Like analogue and digital, you have the potential for both but you cannot do or in this case BE both.     Literacy eliminates the memory hookups that non-literacy develops.    As a result literacy requires an external memory bank, i.e. books or computer.    I know of children who have been kept from school because the non-literate mentality is so much a part of the spiritual practice that to make the child literate is to destroy the culture.   

It is said that the last man to be non-literate in Greece knew all of the epics which amounted to thousands of songs.   His student who became literate learned 346 and he forgot them easily needing the text to remind him.    The Meso-American cultures had a form of hieroglyph that represented texts and it seems that Hebrew was originally the same since prior to the canonization of the texts in the third century the letters, which only represent consonants, were a lot more functional as triggers to memory than alphabetic.    The same is true of the Wampum belts amongst the Eastern Indian Nations.  

Books also meant that the person would continue even if they were killed or died from disease but what stayed important in memory was interpretation of the texts since an alien interpretation can mean as much destruction to a cultural system as losing the system in not being written down.    Writing is severely limited in its expressive possibilities, on the other hand it has the ability to involve the eyes in patterning in ways that are foreign to the ears.    So you get something and you give something else up.    The problem is when there is ignorance about the way these things work and you end up with a tyranny of one over the other as in "White" not "Indian" that is used when English is locked into modern uses of nouns and verbs and the opposite when non-literate becomes the demeaning "illiterate" which is a social judgment.    In that battle English becomes White i.e. Yoneg and Yonegas in Cherokee and is a stand in for forgetful or the more modern "dementia" but used in describing to any English speaker.      This is not linguistics but cultural war taught in the schools just the same as what is complained against Islamic schools in Saudi Arabia where the Saudis are as confused as "White" folks are when you talk this way.     Good book?   "The Alphabet versus the Goddess" by Leonard Shlain.    There are others but I don't remember them at the moment and my index is not up to date.    I know, I had a double whammy, literacy and lead.    It ain't pretty!

Regards

Ray Evans Harrell

 

  

 

 

 

 

 

 

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