Re: [Futurework] The epidemic of Aids

[Wiliam B Ward]

Harry,   A few comments in your text below in CAPS [pardon the shouting]   Bill Ward   On Mon, 13 Jan 2003 11:48:49 -0800 Harry Pollard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Keith, > > Absolutely. As I said, it's a behavioral disease in the US.   IT IS A BEHAVIORAL DISEASE EXCEPT WHEN TRANSMITTED FROM MOTHER TO CHILD. > > Incidentally, while looking up my archives and others to make my > points in the long screed on AIDS, I found the contact number for catching > AIDS is not 500, but 1,000. This compares with two contacts for syphilis and > gonorrhea. Don't know about herpes and suchlike.   I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN YOUR SOURCES. FEMALES ARE 15 TO 20 TIMES AS LIKELY TO BE INFECTED BY A CONTACT AS MALES DUE TO ANALTOMY. > > I originally thought that the amyl nitrites that young homosexuals > take to  maintain their abilities through the night were enough to make them > unwell and less able to fight off invasive disease.   AS YOU MENTIONED BELOW, MALNUTRITION, TB, MALARIA, WORMS, AND THE LIKE LOWER IMMUNITY. > > Duesberg suggests all "recreational" drugs press hard on the immune > system. I am beginning to feel he is on the right track.   THIS MAY EXPLAIN A BUNCH OF THE PROBLEM NI THE US BUT NOT IN AFRICA. > > I've also mentioned that some diseases attack the immune system, > though I haven't a listing for them. > > You also believe in the connection between HIV and AIDS. In the US, > there are thousands of patients with AIDS but not HIV, and a million with > HIV who don't have AIDS.   HIV ALSO ENHANCES THE CONVERSION RATE FOR TB > > Yet, the definition has become circular. If you have HIV and one of > the now 30 diseases - you have AIDS.   AIDS IS MERELY A DIFFERENT CUT POINT ON THE CONTINUUM OF DIMINISHED 'T' CELLS ALONG WITH AN OPPORTUNISTIC INFECTION SUCH AS KAPOSI'S SARCOMA OR PNEUMOCISTITIS. > > I suppose we must wait for the findings of researchers who are > beginning to have second doubts about this too easily accepted relationship. > Unfortunately, people like Duesberg are kept out of the circle - simply > because he doesn't follow the party line.   I MET A WOMAN WHO BELIEVED THAT CERVICAL CANCER WAS UNRELATED TO DISPLASIA.  THERE ARE HOLDOUTS IN HIV/AIDS AS WELL. > > As honest (and acceptable) researchers begin to publish findings > separating HIV from AIDS things may change. If Montagnier - who first > discovered HIV/AIDS - is changing his mind on this, perhaps we will find common > sense returning to the subject.  Maybe Duesberg will even get a grant again!   NO PROBLEM. MORE RESEARCH IS NEEDED, OBVIOUSLY. > > In Africa, the problem doesn't need to be drugs. It's just plain > lack of nutrition. This is what  UNAIDS Program Development Advisor Elesani > Njobvu said: > >   "Families lacking sufficient nutritious food are more vulnerable, > as poor nutrition is closely linked with poor health. This in turn makes a > person more vulnerable to HIV infection and can shorten the incubation > period of HIV, meaning that symptoms appear sooner. The situation is [the] > worst for the poor who have the least access to medical care." Njobvu added > that people struggling with daily survival are less likely to take > preventative measures and are "inclined to resort to any means to get food". > > Which remark, I suppose is directed to prostitution.   PROSTITUTION IS A PROBLEM IN AFRICA, AS ELSEWHERE. HOWEVER, THE GREAT MIGRATION OF MALES TO SOUTH AFRICA TO WORK IN THE GOLD AND DIAMOND MINES SO THAT THEY COULD FEED THEIR CHILDREN ACK HOME AND THE SACRIFICING OF HER FUTURE BY A YOUNG THAI WOMAN FROM RURAL THAILAND IN THE BROTHELS OF BANGKOK SO THAT HER FAMILY WILL LIVE ARE CAUSES. > > Those poor bloody people. > > I pointed out that South Africans don't test for HIV. It's a privacy > issue. But in the rest of Africa, testing is diminishing even in the best > areas. What testing there may be is apparently not very good  and cannot be > trusted.   MBEKI HAS BEEN RESISTANT TO A NATIONWIDE CAMPAIGN BUT IS COMING AROUND. HIS FEELING WAS THAT DIARRHEAL INFECTIONS KILLED MORE CHILDREN THAN HIV AND HE WAS RIGHT BUT THOSE NUMBERS ARE CHANGING RAPIDLY. TEN YEARS AGO, THERE WERE 10% INFECTION RATES AMONG PRENATAL PATIENTS IN PLACES LIKE RWANDA AND ZAMBIA. THE NUMBERS HAVE DOUBLED AND DOUBLED AGAIN IN SOME OF THESE AREAS. THE REAL EXPLOSION WILL BE IN ASIA WHERE MORE PEOPLE WILL BE INFECTED IN 20 YEARS THAN LIVE IN AFRICA WITHOUT SOME MAGIC INTERVENTION.   > In the poorest - and hardest hit areas - apparently there is no HIV > testing. HIV is assumed. People who once died from TB now die from > AIDS. I fear that the disease is the same - only the acronym has changed. It > would be interesting to find out if anyone now dies from the common > diseases they used to die from. (I have a feeling that this is something I will > have to look into.)   HIV/AIDS DOES ACCELERATE DEATHS FROM COMMON DISEASES. IN FACT, PEOPLE ARE DYING FROM DISEASES THAT NEVER USED TO KILL THEM. > > Another figure I would find interesting is the number of white South Africans (less homosexuals and hemophiliacs) who die  from AIDS. > AIDS problems in South Africa are in the rural areas and the townships. > How many well-fed South Africans are dying? That would be an interesting > statistic. But a quick look around hasn't come up with much.   IN HAITI, THE WEALTHY WERE HIT FIRST DUE TO THEIR HIGH MOBILITY AND ACCESS TO EXPENSIVE ILLEGAL DRUGS. > > Meantime, rather than AIDS drugs, it might be more helpful  to send > broccoli to Africa.Incidentally, Most African countries are coping. > Four are basket cases - including Joe's Kenya. Kenya has some of the best   BROCCOLI MIGHT NOT BE A BAD IDEA AS LONG AS IT WAS ACCOMPANIED BY PROTEIN SOURCES. > > agricultural land in Africa in the Central Highlands. Plenty of > water is  available for irrigation of the arid areas.   KENYA WAS VERY PROSPEROUS A FEW DECADES AGO UNTIL THE EFFECTS OF ONE OF THE HIGHEST BIRTH RATES OF THE WORLD LED TO SUBDIVIDING OF AGRICULTURAL LAND TO A POINT WHERE POEPLE COULD NOT SUPPORT THEMSELVES. SADISTS COULD SEE AIDS AS A WAY TO READJUST THE POPULATION BALANCE. > > Yet there is widespread starvation - even to able bodied men being > unable to bring in the food - though there is apparently plenty of corn.   THESE ARE THE SAME MEN AND WOMEN [WHO DO MORE THAN 50% OF THE AGRICULTURAL WORK] WHO ARE PLANTING IT   It just doesn't get to those who need it. > > It may be that governmental corruption and incompetence is a greater > problem in parts of Africa than AIDS.       Kenya once had a magnificent  future that has been sunk by the malfeasance and  misfeasance of those office.   THIS THEY LEARNED FROM THEIR WHITE GOVERNORS AND OVERLORDS.   QUADRUPLING OF POPULATIONS MIGHT HAVE SOMETHING TO DO WITH IT. > > Pete complained because I was critical of Clinton's: "a quarter of > southern Africa's population is likely to die of AIDS ..."   CLINTON IS A CROOK AND A LOT OF OTHER THINGS BUT IS RIGH ON IN THIS ONE. > > Pete thought this was a useful attempt to engage our compassion. > Maybe, but it was an outright lie. The sub-Saharan population of Africa rose: > > 1950 -  227 million > > 1970 - 361 million > > 1990 - 626 million > > 2000 - 803 million   AFRICA IS THE ONLY CONTINENT IN THE WORLD THAT HAS SEEN AN ACTUAL DECLINE IN POPULATION I NTHE LASK DECADE. WHAT ARE YOUR SOURCES? > > Is compassion the fruit of lying? Maybe - politicians love to have > something to take them off the hook. What better than a terrifying > disease to blame for their ineptness and venality? "It isn't our fault that > things are such a mess. It's this horrible disease."   HARRY, THE ABOVE IS BENEATH YOU. I ATTRIBUTE IT O YOUR FEELING OF HELPLESSNESS IN DOIG SOMETHING ABOUT THIS AND REALIZATION THAT WE WILL BE SPENDING A HUNDRED TIMES WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO ADDRESS THE PROBLEM BY BOMBING IRAQ AND IMPLEMENTING 'W's TAX PLAN. > > All I suggest is some rethinking if we are to save the next > generation - or   the one after that.. > > Harry > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Keith wrote: > > >Harry, > > > >Aids can only spread by direct entry into the blood stream -- hence > via > >injuries or through severely abraded skin. A nurse would normally > have no > >risk of becoming a victim but if, say, you were a bricklayer then > you'd be > >very unwise to look after an Aids sufferer unless you wore surgical > gloves > >while at home. > > > >Aids is not very catchable. It needs a considerable local > concentration of > >sufferers before it gets a start. But given this *and* a great > frequency of > >practices that causes skin abrasion then it can then spread -- > after it did > >after Haight-Ashbury -- and keep on spreading because its symptoms > are not > >obvious for years in some cases. > > > >Keith > > > >At 23:11 12/01/03 -0800, you wrote: > > >Arthur, > > > > > >AIDS is not contagious, and doesn't appear to be infectious. > Shown by the > > >apparent absence of harm to any of the care-givers of the > hundreds of > > >thousands of aids victims. > > > > > >Now, ain't that a funny virus? Think of a flu virus and compare. > > > > > >There was a period I remember when someone started a rumor that > you can get > > >AIDS from mosquitos. > > > > > >Harry > > > ****************************** > Harry Pollard > Henry George School of LA > Box 655 > Tujunga  CA  91042 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Tel: (818) 352-4141 > Fax: (818) 353-2242 > ******************************* > >