Bruce Leier I have friends who > > have stated that MLK was very influential in their decisions to adapt > > civil disobedience to Nam warfare. When Nixon knew the troops were not > > fighting any more he decided to get out.
arthur, Gosh the lone gunman theory is getting more and more tattered with each new insight. -----Original Message----- From: Ray Evans Harrell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 1:25 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Bruce Leier; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Futurework] FWD: The King They Still Won't Talk About Lawry, Mutinies were not limited to fragging in Vietnam. The Old Guard Third Infantry refused to carry loaded weapons in the student demonstrations in Washington and were confined to barracks as a result. They brought in the 101st Airborne from Fort Bragg who had people that would have loved to shoot an Ivy League student. But we all knew about the drugs, Hepititus C and the Fragging of Officers by dissodent minorities ruled by White Officers. I was told stories that ran from Helping the poor fight the Dirty Commies to our using torture against kids for information. I must say one thing at this point. I was not impressed with the people passionately against the war only to stop marching once the draft was removed. REH ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lawrence DeBivort" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Bruce Leier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 11:21 PM Subject: RE: [Futurework] FWD: The King They Still Won't Talk About > Very interesting, Bruce. I wasn't much aware of troop refusing orders in > the manner you describe, or King's influence on that. It is quite possible > for the early activists to see King as a late-comer to the anti-war effort, > and that he nonetheless helped swing a critical mass against the war. Can > you say much more about this? E.g., was it black troops that refused to > budge? Mixed race refusal? > > Kissinger does not credit troop mutiny with their final recognition that the > US had to get out (not that I give much credit to anything Kissinger says), > but can you tie the troop mutinies you refer to more closely to the Nixon > administration politics? If troop mutiny was a factor, would they not have > wanted to pull out before the mutiny spread or became publicly known, rather > than drag it out for the 3-4 years that they did, incurring an additional > 50,000 casualties? > > Again, thanks for the information. > > Cheers, > Lawry > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Bruce Leier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 1:09 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: RE: [Futurework] FWD: The King They Still Won't Talk About > > > > > > I don't have the time to respond to this completely, but... > > Bruce Leier > > > > > > > > 1. King came very late to the anti-Viet Nam war issue. The movement > > was, by > > > the time he did, already in full swing and King was viewed as a > > latecomer, > > > drafting safely in behind millions who had already committed > > themselves > > > publicly to opposition to the war. It is not that his voice wasn't > > welcome > > > and eloquent, it just came much too late to be decisive or even > > important. > > > Once in, he did deliver some eloquent speeches against the war, and > > this is > > > what we remember today because they are handy, powerful and beautiful. > > > > > [Bruce Leier] > > I believe he was much more decisive than you state. He came in just > > before the most significant sit-downs started. I am speaking about the > > troop sit-downs that really ended the war. Troops went on patrol to the > > edge of the jungle and refused to go any further. I have friends who > > have stated that MLK was very influential in their decisions to adapt > > civil disobedience to Nam warfare. When Nixon knew the troops were not > > fighting any more he decided to get out. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Futurework mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://scribe.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework _______________________________________________ Futurework mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://scribe.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework _______________________________________________ Futurework mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://scribe.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework
