Ray,
 
I just read this very long but profound and eloquent post. This is the first time I have ever seen a discourse on the functions of art, of music in particular that made so much sense.
 
Being a devotee of Philip Glass I was particularly pleased to see your reference to him and explanation of why it is so hard for people to understand and love his music which sends me into orbit.
 
If it's all right with you, I would like to forward your post in its entirety (without the previous posts) to the Classical Music List because it touches on so many important issues related to music.
 
I am in awe.
 
Selma
 
 
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Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 1:19 AM
Subject: [Futurework] Re: The Arts and Keynes (was Share slumps *are* harmful)

Fake issue Keith,
 
Keynes says that you shouldn't do it unless the consumer "wants it" first.    While J.B. Say states that the consumer will not imagine wanting it without having first had enough to stimulate their desire.    You praised Say but in the past, and in your statement about the "tax" on the poor cab driver,  spoke of the Driver's  "desire" motivating whether his government  should provide it or not.   That is Keynes is it not?
 
The Arts develops the mind of all of the people and not just the wealthy.   Not just the elite class who has captured them in our two Anglophilias.   The poor development of the mind that you decry in the schools is a direct result of a breakdown of pedagogy.   But the holistic approach to pedagogy i.e. public education,  requires complex culture, as a part of its curriculum,  in order to develop.   Remember that the "talented"  achieve no matter how poor the education may be.    Education is a "success" based upon how it succeeds with the less endowed, the average, and the less imaginative. 
 
Public Education requires a holistic approach to pedagogy that brings in the integrity of the student's internal systems in order to encourage and even stimulate opening the door to their potential.    A door that has been closed through "life" and abuse in early childhood.    This is not "brain surgery"  but is the root of simple psycho-therapy which helps millions of individuals across the United States.   In the Public Schools it is the State's responsibility to restore the initial genius of the child through a total pedagogical approach based upon success and pleasure not drudgery and punishment.    That integrative approach is best achieved through the foundation of the Arts as a basis for all other instruction.        
 
To turn your question about your English Cab Driver around:
Why should the wealthy teach the children of the middle and lower classes to be dissatisfied with their plight in life and realize, (through a good public education),  that the wealthy are no more deserving of the entitled accident of their birth then the poor and middle class  children are deserving of a fourth class education that doesn't allow them to participate fully in a free society?    
 
Take my statement about Harry's "American History."    Like that statement about Harry's need for further study in our history, I believe that your theory on the purpose of the complex arts in pedagogy, and elsewhere, is deficient.    Do you really believe that the purpose of the complex arts is as a form of entertainment?   
 
Is that not like the belief that brushing your hair and taking a bath is only about looking and smelling  good?    That is probably a part of it, but I suspect the whole idea of a "nice appearance" has more basis in trying to get you to do the things that are good for your health and sustainence than simple beauty.   Beauty has a pragmatic purpose in all of nature, as pointed out endlessly in National Geographic Magazine when discussing bird's mating rituals and songs.    Due to the fact that we too are a part of nature, I believe it is simple pride that makes us "misunderstand" the purpose of our songs in our survival as a species as well as a people.    
 
Though the complex arts are at times entertaining they are not, at their root, about entertainment.     For those of us who went to University and Conservatory we each had a professor who admonished us that, "if we liked something it probably was derivitive and garbage."     That what brought ultimate satisfaction and fulfillment artistically was often difficult and annoying at first, unless of course, it was "old" art.   
 
Old Art was understandable because the complexity had been solved by our education and those who went before us.    It is a true story that Leopold Auer claimed that Tschaikovki's Violin Concerto was "unplayable."     It is also true that many high school students in the US play the Tschaikovski Violin Concerto today.   "Serious" or complex art that springs from the truth and the search for the exceptional values of the present are....well... complicated.    
 
But nothing is complicated if you know how to do it and nothing that you know how to do is complicated to you.    Typing is not complicated to me.   The limitations are clear and the practice is constant.    Complexity of typing for me is about zero.    On the other hand, typing in Cherokee is about "ten" on the one to ten complexity scale since the Cherokee syllabury uses the same keyboard but with different symbols.    Eventually it will become, like the Tschaikovski Violin Concerto for my neighbor upstairs,   zero complexity through personal Mastery.    
 
Contemporary Art is a complex artistic product.    It is the song and voice of today's values and highest ideals.    At first it is admittedly confusing and always has been so.e.g.  Mozart has always been simple to play but hard to interpret.    In Mozart the art was not in the same place as Liszt's Transcendal Etudes.   The question is asked for the purpose of product quality:  "Who was better?"    Who is more "True", more "Beautiful", well that depends on "how" you were listening to the art.  
 
Today, we have the same problem with Philip Glass and the Minimalists.    We haven't begun to answer the issues about interpreting him.    We can barely sustain the mental focus that he asks of us.   Some call him "Wallpaper Music" because of his slow changes,  but it is the same problem as with Mozart's endless repetition of slow thirds in his second sonata and concerto movements.    It all depends on "how you are choosing to listen as to whether you 'get' the art or not".    The complaint is a shebboleth in that it defines the one who is unable to pass beyond the "Gate" of complex art.
 
The perspective of the classically oriented Minimalists is not a new one.    If you look at every single orchestral page of Rimsky Korsakov's Scherazade you will find the primary theme... on every page!     The same is true of the great Poulenc solo opera "La Voix Humane"   where the constant repeated phrase has a different purpose than in Philip Glass or Steve Reich.   I've seen well known composers weep guiltily as they felt that they should not be moved by such simplicity of a single idea endlessly repeated for an hour of music.    And then there is Beethoven's Fifth Symphony.    
 
So one man's "wallpaper" is another man's "ecstasy."    But that doesn't mean that quality is subjective, only that perception and interpretation of quality is.   
 
In order to judge, you must first be capable of reducing the complexity to zero and living within the environment of the art without confusion.   Only then, can you decide whether the work has "integrity" (as in 1. The state or quality of being entire or complete; wholeness; entireness; unbroken state; as, the integrity of an empire or territory.)  or not.     We might also decide whether the art creates a complete unique universe that has its own rules and is strong enough to allow us to step out of ourselves for a moment to look back upon our own identity in order to judge our own "integration" as a whole person.
 
 
One further note on "Old Art."   
If the questions posed by the "performance problems" of the Art have been forgotten, as happened with the music of the "Musica Ficta"  era, then we can't travel on the backs of our ancestors.   We also have the added disadvantage in that the dead composer can't tell us whether we are getting it right or not.   So a form of old art like Leonin and Perotin at Notre Dame becomes a kind of guess as to whether it can exist at all today or not.    We can fake it (and read their words) but the music is a guess since at one point the performance of their work stopped and was forgotten.  
 
Included in the problem are the "reforms" of the various Church Councils,    Their meddling should serve as examples of what happens when "extra-artistic" values are given to Complex Art.   Complex Art has its own worth and values that spread out across a personality and culture in beneficial ways without it being controlled for external purposes.    Purposes beyond the development and preservation of identity in a "perceptual" envelope.    Even for someone close like J.S. Bach:  If we told the truth about Bach, we would have similar problems (with Affektenlehre) but he is closer to us and the musical notation is more well known.   But the performance problems are the same.  
 
In summing up, I would say when traditions of a consistant complexity are slowly reduced to zero and amazingly complex performance melds into the public consciousness,  even the man on the street begins to be able to not only comprehend it but perform it as well.     For example, Wagner and the varismo vocal tradition that flowed out of his chromaticism and orchestral volumes destroyed the early Bel Canto voices that attempted to sustain careers in this "New Music."     Within fifty years you could hear the carpenters on the roofs of Milan singing Puccini and Verdi in magnificent vocal tones that were destroying physical instruments one generation earlier.    I've heard it in the Russian chemists who immigrated here from Russia and who never had a voice lesson.    Such sounds are NOT natural.   But they do evolve over time in cultures and through families. 
 
On the other hand when a complex artistic tradition is broken,   complexity once more rises and if the authority is lost then it becomes very difficult to recover the product for anyone other than the expert or scholar.    (It's happening today in the Synagogues as the old music is becoming unsingable to the new fashion in Cantorial tradition)    Tradition is important as a preserver of personal mastery for those who are not expert professionals and may even be lost to the "professional experts" if the line of authority is broken. (No more on this.)
 
 
In America,  the manner in which complex tradition was passed on up through the end of the 19th century was that the complex arts were mixed with entertainment.    In the 1880s the "capitalization" of the Arts into the hands of the wealthy was originally seen by all as a reformation and upgrading of the quality of all programming.    Such Art was seen as "Holy" and the secular hall was compared to the sacredness of the Church.    They even banned applause at one point and threw the "poor" out, who protested, as being uncultured and unappreciative of great art.   This was the time of "sonic booms" based upon Horn Fifths and the acoustical resonance of the overtone system.    Other scales and modes were considered "out of tune" and ugly.    Only the nobility of the plagel cadence and its evolution in chromaticism and Shenckarian Analysis of such was considered cultured.    I happen to love these things but like Country Western music, they are artifacts of a time and place in cultural history and not a rule for the future of time.   Even Heinrich Schencker admitted as much when he worked out his system. 
 
In the American past, when the average person, attending an opera or concert, was cheated out of a section of that opera, or a movement from a symphony, there are ample records of the middle and lower classes (including slaves in the southern US), tearing up the seats of the auditorium and throwing their lunch at the stage.   The same is a part of the history of the evolution of the theater in Europe with the peasant gallery, (the Orchestra or Pit seats under the dripping candles),  where the peasants sat and also threw their lunches if they were cheated out of a serious performance of complex art. 
 
This was the best in their lives and the identity of their children when that was about all of the hope that they had for advancement.    Today in Milan, the audiences are still that way.   If some performer doesn't know the inner voices of an orchestral work as well as the communist tailors do (who fix their coats), the response is withering.   
 
From the 1880s to the present America has been sold an entertainment that is so simple that even our commedians on Television's  Saturday Night Live Show  can endlessly improvise versions of it.   Today the technology is on the boards that would tailor make advertising sent into individual homes via the Television that would match the class and buying ability of the audience.    Gradually the cost of Complex Arts has risen to the point that it is impossible for me to go to many of the events if I'm not working in them.    The wealthy economic class  has worn down the public with drivel until now the public expects and pays for the same simple-minded widget bi-valve commercialism mentality that is found on 99 % of the public radio and TV stations in America.    Such stations, as well as the movies admit only to a taste in sex and violence as the meaning of entertainment.   It is mindless, stupid and deadening.    Just as the elite "cultured folk"  would prefir the work force to be.  
 
Complex Arts have to be taught but when they are taught in school the general masses expect more than the wealthy are willing to give up.    That is the root of your educational failure and not poor science education.   Brains that are withered in the areas of perception are not open to professions that require clarity and analysis of those same perceptions.    Stephen Hawking is an exception as there are always exceptions.   I know a few myself. 
 
I asked you a question about John Baptiste Say and you gave me the statement about the taste of the cab driver being inferior to the taste of the rich man in complex arts.    I will not take the cheap shot and claim a closer relationship to the poor than you since I don't know whether that is true or not.    But poverty was not what stopped our people from learning, it was pollution and lack of educational availability.    The Cab Driver you spoke of probably had less availibility to the complex arts than your wealthy unless the Milanese and Berliner Cab Drivers are more cultivated than the English.    In the case of the French, German and Italian I know that the audience understands and demands their national complex  culture's availability to the masses.   
 
What is it about good composers like the late Romantic English Gustav Holst and Ralph Vaughn Williams that their melodies sound like quotes of celtic folk music much of the time?    The very thing that made Gustav Mahler have such problems with his generation.    Today when we have forgotten the folk music of Germany, that the average German peasant knew and improvised regularly, Mahler seems fresher than he did to the New York critics and  the musicians of Austria and Germany who loved Mahler as a great conductor.      That we don't care today,  is a change in our ignorance not a change in the quality of Mahler's melodies.   We are more ignorant of imaginative melodic writing and bold harmonies than the peasants and the Gypsies of Mahler's era who improvised beyond such simplicities and who led composers like Schoenberg and Bartok into the world of pure sound that had been left when the Roman Catholic church banned polophony because of the French at Notre Dame.
 
Today even Mahler's melodies seem profound inspite of the resemblance to the sweet, cloying melodies of Applachian Mountain folks.    I am related to those people and find their expression both moving and artistic in a performing and integrated sense but I would never mix up what they do with the intent, purpose and aesthetic of complex art.   What is emotionally complex is not the same as what is architecturally so in the abstractions of complex art.       
 
Not long ago an English Opera Director came through looking at Chamber Opera in America and was amazed at the desert he encountered.    He was polite but appalled.   I was embarrassed but caught between the twin boulders of Keynes and Say with no place to move or grow.     I talk to you and to the group but most artists here  are too depressed,  enraged and cynical to even enter this conversation.    They consider my attendence on such things as this list as an indication of my lead poisoning.   The Brain patterns that continually repeats a motion long after it has been proven to be a useless waste of time.    
 
Keith, I must comment that from you, a man in the music business who hopes to make a living off of such things,  it seems not to make sense to me either.    As a test to the workability of what you are saying you should try limiting yourself to England and the market that your economic beliefs leave you.     Don't go to the Continent where they still fund complex artistic productions through their societal governments or to the Orient where they believe that they will have our economic success if they imitate our cultural patterns.   That would be too easy.    The first is already there and the second doesn't know any better.     Without the internet and the ability to escape the society where your belief in "the cab driver funding the rich in the 'upper class' arts  that are only for the rich"  you would be limited to those folks in selling your product.   What kind of market would you have?     Why would a man who is in your business prefer the argument of the artistically illiterate even if they are Nobel Economists?     The truth is in the product and they are artistically, culturally and socially barren.
 
I apologize if my words be rude and tough but is it not the way of business that one must speak from reality and not from political correctness?    The proof is in success.    Thus far, culturally here in America,  the only songs that are sung in the English language in complex artistic products is an occasional academic product by a professional teacher or in the one or two composers (in the third largest population and geography in the world) like Ned Rorem who we will celebrate in our First Biennial American Masters Arts Festival in New York.    The problem is not to do something once but to keep it up.    Who will be the composer honored for the Second Biennial American Masters Arts Festival in 2005?     They have to have a broad enough repertory to be performed in solo & choral concerts, operas, symphonies, chamber music etc. for an entire month.    Only Rorem can hold up his end on this.    Everyone else has spent their time teaching, earning a living, putting bread in their children's mouths and treating English as if it were an accursed language that has no voice or melody.
 
The only writers in English are the commercial 32 bar song form endless ditties done from jazz to Hip-Hop with differing performance techniques but the same tired architecture endlessly repeated until the song is beaten out of the impending adult.   Adults who are either mute or mute with money to go hear someone sing in a language they don't understand but who makes them feel good for being "not as other men."     That's quite an identity you're selling Keith but it seems contradictory with the goals of your business.    Enlighten me.
 
  
Best,
 
Ray Evans Harrell  
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: "Keith Hudson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Ray Evans Harrell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 2:54 PM
Subject: The Arts and Keynes (was Share slumps *are* harmful)

> Ray,
>
> I'm sorry but I don't understand why I'm "a Keynesian in the serious arts".
>  I certainly don't agree with Keynes that ordinary taxpayers should be
> obliged to help pay for English middle class tastes in opera, ballet,
> theatre and the like. However, I suppose it gives additional relish to the
> enjoyment of those who attend concerts at the Royal Opera House that the
> taxi driver who drove them there was helping to pay for their tickets out
> of his earnings.
>
> KSH
>
> At 11:44 09/02/03 -0500, you wrote:
> >I have a question Keith.    Why are you a Keynesian in the serious arts but
> >a follower of Jean Baptiste Say when it comes to everything else?   That is
> >why I've never understood the difference between Henry George and Keynes in
> >the ultimate scheme things since conversations long ago with Harry centered
> >around a "lack of demand" for the serious Arts as justification for the
> >current state of Arts economics affairs here.    But your statement was well
> >put.    It is an argument that I have made more than once on this list and
> >never gotten a response so I wish you  better luck.
> >
> >REH
>
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