Raymond,

Excellent question!

First, you must understand the NewSpeak of modern economists. Thousands of people may be dying because of lack of food - but there is no famine. Tens of thousands may be surviving on barely enough food to exist but don't worry folks - we don't have a famine.

As always, it all depends on what you mean by the word famine - as C.E.M. Joad was wont to say. (I wonder if Keith remembers Joad?)

We have hunger, you understand, but not famine. This extract says it all.

"India has done an even poorer job of addressing the
problem of chronic malnutrition, he said. "It's so shocking," Mr. Banik
added. "There's so much food in the country, yet people are starving."

Said Massing:

"India's huge food stocks reflect the power of the farm lobby. It has pressed
the government to buy grain at ever higher prices, making bread and other
staples more and more expensive. To help the hungry, the government has a
national network of ration shops, but they have been undermined by
widespread corruption and distribution bottlenecks. What's more, the
government, under pressure from the World Bank and other institutions, has reduced its once-generous food subsidies."


Here we have it. The problem includes the farm lobby, the World Bank, widespread corruption, and "widespread distribution bottlenecks" - whatever the hell they are. (I know - they are bureaucratese.)

It's not landlordism which skims the fat of the top of every peasants production. It's not the government that twitters about "distribution bottlenecks", yet is " awash in grain, with the government sitting on a surplus of more than 50 million tons."

By golly, it's the World Bank, which it must be admitted hasn't a clue.

Stewart said "To be fully represented the poor need institutions like trade unions and political parties that speak for them."

No doubt that would lead to less hunger in the trades union leadership and politicians.

Devereux, from Sussex University, faulted Mr. Sen for not dealing with the "big political questions." "For him," he said, "public action consists of public works programs - limited transfers to the poor to help them through a crisis. It's important to look more at fundamental reforms, like land reform."

Well, there we have it. A suggestion that won't help the present starvation, but would break the cycles of malnutrition that Indians now suffer. But there is land reform and land reform - some simply makes things worse. We remember the Soviet collective farms as an exercise in futility.

With regard to the Irish famine, which took place in a country that was "awash" in food, I can do no better than repeat a piece of an earlier post.

I said:

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So, the colonialist English were taking the Irish food and starving the
"brutish peasantry", eh? That's a good story and it fits in with your remark:

"What they cared most about was that the 'inferior races' bow down and
serve their imperialist interests."

Except it wasn't true. It's one of those band-aids used to hide the real
situation. It also saves the exertion required to think about it.
(Remember, we try to avoid exertion - that's a Classical Assumption.
Preconceptions come cheaper than thought.)

Who exported the food? Well, it was the Irish farmers who preferred exports
to giving the food to the starving peasantry.

So, it was their fault? Well, not quite. The farmers rented their fields
from the Irish landlords. If they didn't export, they would be unable to
pay their rents and they would lose their farms. So, off went the produce
to the ports.

Who owned the farms? Well, this is what Quaker James Tuke reported about Donegal:

"This county, like most others in Ireland, belongs to a few large proprietors, some of them, unhappily, absentees, whose large domains sometimes extend over whole parishes and baronies, and contain populations of 8,000 to 12,000".
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Perhaps what the Irish needed at that time were more "fundamental reforms, like land reform."

Or, perhaps the problem was not enough Indian type ration shops.

Perhaps not only the Indians need fundamental reform. A Harpers article suggested that 95% of the private land in the US was owned by 5% of the people. And we remember Kevin Cahill's book which pointed out that in the UK some 70% of the land is still owned by less than 1% of the population.

Ireland introduced land reform which has been successful. The Irish people who during the famine mostly had nothing now have a higher percentage of home ownership than the Brits. Their home building is impressive. Comparing populations, to match the Irish building rate , the Brits would have to build 917,000 homes.

They managed 170,000. To put this in perspective, Aneurin Bevan is the first Labor Cabinet said he would solve the housing problem in six months. That meant 200,000 houses - about the rate at which houses were falling down.

He failed.

Later, the rank and file of a Tory Conference pushed through a Program of 300,000 houses against the wishes of their bosses. White around the gills, the Chancellor praised this wonderful enthusiasm.

Anyhow, he failed.

That was about 50 years ago. Now, with perhaps a 25% increase in population, the Brits manage 170,000 houses a year!

Yet, no-one seems to know these things. Perhaps history is no longer important. Perhaps part of our problem is that we live in this tiny sliver of time called the present. We don't call on the past. We pay little attention to the future.

Except perhaps for Futurists, but who cares about them?

Harry
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Ray wrote:

Was Ireland a Democracy during the Potato famine?

REH


March 1, 2003 Does Democracy Avert Famine? By MICHAEL MASSING


Few scholars have left more of a mark on the field of development economics than Amartya Sen.

The winner of the 1998 Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Science, Mr. Sen has
changed the way economists think about such issues as collective
decision-making, welfare economics and measuring poverty. He has pioneered
the use of economic tools to highlight gender inequality, and he helped the
United Nations devise its Human Development Index - today the most widely
used measure of how well nations meet basic social needs.

More than anything, though, Mr. Sen is known for his work on famine. Just as
Adam Smith is associated with the phrase "invisible hand" and Joseph
Schumpeter with "creative destruction," Mr. Sen is famous for his assertion
that famines do not occur in democracies. "No famine has ever taken place in
the history of the world in a functioning democracy," he wrote in "Democracy
as Freedom" (Anchor, 1999). This, he explained, is because democratic
governments "have to win elections and face public criticism, and have
strong incentive to undertake measures to avert famines and other
catastrophes." This proposition, advanced in a host of books and articles,
has shaped the thinking of a generation of policy makers, scholars and
relief workers who deal with famine.

Now, however, in India, the main focus of Mr. Sen's research, there are
growing reports of starvation. In drought-ravaged states like Rajasthan in
the west and Orissa in the east, many families have been reduced to eating
bark and grass to stay alive. Already thousands may have died. This is
occurring against a backdrop of endemic hunger and malnutrition. About 350
million of India's one billion people go to bed hungry every night, and half
of all Indian children are malnourished. Meanwhile, the country is awash in
grain, with the government sitting on a surplus of more than 50 million
tons. Such want amid such plenty has generated public protests, critical
editorials and an appeal to India's Supreme Court to force the government to
use its surpluses to feed the hungry.

All of which has raised new questions about Mr. Sen's famous thesis. In an
article critical of him in The Observer of London last summer, Vandana
Shiva, an ecological activist in India, wrote that while it is true that
famine disappeared in India in 1947, with independence and elections, it is
"making a comeback." The problem, she added in an interview, "has not yet
reached the scale seen in the Horn of Africa," but if nothing is done, "in
three or four years India could be in the same straits."

To Mr. Sen, though, it is not the thesis that needs revision but the popular
understanding of it. Yes, famines do not occur in democracies, he said in a
phone interview, but "it would be a misapprehension to believe that
democracy solves the problem of hunger." Mr. Sen, who is the master of
Trinity College at Cambridge University, said his writings on famine
frequently noted the problems India has had in feeding its people, and he
was baffled by the amount of attention his comments about famine and
democracy had received. The Nobel committee, in awarding its prize, did not
even mention this aspect of his work, he said, adding, however, that many
newspapers had seized on it and misrepresented it.

Mr. Sen's views about famine and hunger have recently been put to the test
by Dan Banik, an Indian-born political scientist at the University of Oslo.
Mr. Banik has spent much of the last several years in India, studying the
parched, desperate Kalahandi region of Orissa. In that area alone, Mr. Banik
said by phone from India, he found 300 starvation deaths in six months. And
they are hardly unique. "I have collected newspaper reports on starvation
for six years in Indian newspapers," he said, "and there's not a state where
it hasn't happened. Starvation is widespread in India."

He quickly added, however, that the toll was nowhere near the hundreds of
thousands that constitute a famine. In fact, Mr. Sen's theory about famines
not occurring in democracies "applies rather well to India," he said. "There
has not been a large-scale loss of life since 1947." At the same time, he
said, "there have been many incidents of large-scale food crises that, while
not resulting in actual famines, have led to many, many deaths."

While the Indian bureaucracy responds well to highly visible crises like
famine threats, Mr. Banik observed, starvation "occurs in isolated areas and
so isn't very visible." India has done an even poorer job of addressing the
problem of chronic malnutrition, he said. "It's so shocking," Mr. Banik
added. "There's so much food in the country, yet people are starving."

India's huge food stocks reflect the power of the farm lobby. It has pressed
the government to buy grain at ever higher prices, making bread and other
staples more and more expensive. To help the hungry, the government has a
national network of ration shops, but they have been undermined by
widespread corruption and distribution bottlenecks. What's more, the
government, under pressure from the World Bank and other institutions, has
reduced its once-generous food subsidies.

On a visit to New Delhi in early January, Mr. Sen participated in a forum to
publicize the recent starvation deaths and to promote a new "right to food"
movement. While such events show how democracies can provide opportunities
for "public agitation" to redress injustices, Mr. Sen said, they also
highlight how poorly India has done in meeting basic social needs. "We must
distinguish between the role of democracy in preventing famine and the
comparative ineffectiveness of democracy in preventing regular
undernourishment," he observed.

That Mr. Sen would end up as the foremost thinker on this subject is
somewhat surprising, for he initially paid little attention to the link
between hunger and democracy. When the International Labor Organization
asked him to look into the causes of famines in the mid-1970's, Mr. Sen
decided to focus on the Great Bengal Famine of 1943, in which as many as
three million people died. As a 9-year-old boy in a privileged Bengal
family, he had seen the suffering first hand. At the time of his research,
it was widely assumed that famines were caused by sudden food shortages.
Examining records, however, Mr. Sen found that food production in Bengal had
not declined. Rather, food prices had soared while farm wages had sagged,
making it hard for rural workers to buy food.

Examining more recent famines in Ethiopia and Bangladesh, Mr. Sen found that
they, too, were caused not by food shortages but by lagging rural incomes.
In his landmark "Poverty and Famines" (1981), he argued that most famines
could be readily prevented by mounting public works projects for those most
in peril.

That book did not consider the role of democracy. Soon after it appeared,
however, Mr. Sen began hearing reports about the Chinese famine of 1958 to
1961. The full dimensions of that calamity had remained hidden from the
outside world, but after Mao's death it became clear that tens of millions
had died. To Mr. Sen the reason seemed clear: the absence of a free press
and opposition parties meant there was no one to sound the alarm. By
contrast, India had been free of famine since independence. In a 1982
article for The New York Review of Books, Mr. Sen argued that even a
fraction of the Chinese death toll "would have immediately caused a storm in
the newspapers and a turmoil in the Indian parliament, and the ruling
government would almost certainly have had to resign."

The question of food and starvation, he wrote, could not be divorced from
"the issue of liberties, of newspapers and ultimately of democracy." Since
then, though, Mr. Sen has frequently referred to India's failures in
combating everyday hunger. In his book "Hunger and Public Action" (1989),
Mr. Sen (along with the co-author, Jean Drèze) noted that nearly four
million people die prematurely in India every year from malnutrition and
related problems. That's more than the number who perished during the entire
Bengal famine.

It is Mr. Sen's writings on democracy, not famine, that have troubled some
scholars. Throughout his prolific career, the 69-year-old economist has been
very bullish on democracy. In "Development as Freedom," for instance, he
wrote that "developing and strengthening a democratic system is an essential
component of the process of development." The book had little to say about
the high rates of malnutrition, illiteracy and infant mortality that persist
in India and many other democracies, and how they can be overcome.

This has led some to conclude that Mr. Sen is naïve about how democracies
work in the real world. "Democracies are often run by ethnically based
groups prepared to do terrible things to other ethnic groups," said Frances
Stewart, a professor of development economics at Oxford University. "Or they
can be very corrupt, dominated by elites." She added: "Capitalist,
democratic states put the emphasis on the private sector, which doesn't
always deliver on social goods. The free press is good on major disasters
like classic famines, but it tolerates chronic hunger as much as anyone
else." To be fully represented, she said, the poor need institutions like
trade unions and political parties that speak for them.

Stephen Devereux, an economist at the Institute of Development Studies at
Sussex University who specializes in food security in Africa, faulted Mr.
Sen for not dealing with the "big political questions." "For him," he said,
"public action consists of public works programs - limited transfers to the
poor to help them through a crisis. It's important to look more at
fundamental reforms, like land reform." Currently, Mr. Devereux said, more
than a half-dozen countries in Africa face a famine threat, including such
democracies as Ethiopia.

There, he said, conditions are "as bad as in 1984," when famine deaths were
estimated at one million. Ethiopia was then ruled by a Marxist dictator.
Today it is democratically governed, but as many as six million people
remain dependent on food aid from abroad. "Having a free press and a
democratic process is important for all kinds of reasons," Mr. Devereux
noted, "but that doesn't address poverty and the conditions that lead to
famine." With the spread of laissez-faire economic policies, he added,
governments have less ability to "step in and provide food security."

Other scholars, however, say that government itself is the problem. T. N.
Srinivasan, a professor of economics at Yale University, says that political
freedoms, to work, need to be complemented by economic freedoms. Mr. Sen, he
said, "doesn't emphasize enough the importance of free markets, trade and
access to world markets and capital." The reason authoritarian China has
grown more rapidly than democratic India, he said, is its embrace of
economic liberalization. Mr. Sen, he added, "seems to have a much dimmer
view of globalization than people like me, who see open markets as the best
opportunity of the last century" for countries to grow and develop.

What unites Mr. Sen's liberal and conservative critics is their belief that
democracy, while desirable, is no cure-all for problems like hunger and
illiteracy. In fact, in his more recent writings, Mr. Sen has paid more
attention to the shortcomings of democracy and how they can be addressed.
The key, he said, is not to jettison democracy but to find ways of making it work better for society's underdogs.


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