Communities must be held responsible for the actions of their own but they must also be given the power to do so. In the US there is a dearth of sophistication about the use of power and equality. Instead we get people who relegate responsibility to their interpretation of a book instead of thinking. That is not ethnicity's problem. The problem is that the dominant society is stuck in bipolar linear thought.
REh ----- Original Message ----- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 9:09 AM Subject: RE: [Futurework] Athens and Jerusalem > Maybe a bit optimistic, Ed. > > Gangs are springing up in Ottawa. Guess what? They are developing along > ethnic lines. Seems it is about control of turf. Plus ce change..... > > arthur > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ed Weick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 5:48 AM > To: Ray Evans Harrell; Brad McCormick, Ed.D. > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [Futurework] Athens and Jerusalem > > > Ray, I like what you've written and do hope you're right. Many years ago, > when I was in my thirties, I was fortunate to work with a very wise man, a > Jew, whom I still regard as one of my mentors. The point he would make over > and over is that people cannot forget their ethnicity. In his opinion, it > was the most important thing they have, and if they can't forget it, what is > necessary is that other people accept it and learn to work with it. > Unfortunately, ethnicity all to often expresses itself territorially. Here > in Canada, Palastinian kids and Jewish kids quite often go to the same > classrooms at school, college or university. They get along fine. But then > Canada is not the Middle East, where two ethnicities are bonded to the same > pieces of land. I'm sure you know what I mean out of your own background. > > Ed Weick > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ray Evans Harrell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Ed Weick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Brad McCormick, Ed.D." > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 10:20 PM > Subject: Re: [Futurework] Athens and Jerusalem > > > > At the time of King David the Mycenaean Greeks had landed on the coast of > > Israel. They formed a people who were not Habiru or Canaan. They were > > known by the Israelites as Philistines and were the opposite of the > Israelis > > although the Israelis took many of their better architectural features > from > > them. It was the metaphor of David and the Philistine giant that the > > intifada took for their image stealing it from the Israelis. The child > > who stops a giant with a stone. > > > > The one who tried to tie the Athens and Jerusalem together was the Jewish > > philosopher Leo Strauss who used the Greeks as reason and Jerusalem as the > > revelation saying that one needed both in order to evolve. Of course, > the > > Jewish settlers called the Arabs that they met in Palestine "Philistines" > > and that was not a good place to begin. > > > > Today, everyone has to give up something. The orthodox have to grow up > and > > discover the Israel within that evades them while the Palestinians have to > > acknowledge that Israel is antecedent to Islam and that Islam wouldn't > exist > > without the Jewish prophets in their own book. It comes down to families > > being able to get along. The Jews will have to share and pay reparations > > (at least the settlements) and the Palestinians will have to accept the > fact > > that a relative has come home and that the ancient stories are no longer > > applicable. That they must built a future together. If they can't do > > that then they will be known as just a couple of warring tribes that > don't > > deserve all of the accolades that the world gives them as major spiritual > > centers and the world will wipe the dust from its feet. > > > > I hope they do decide to get along. I like the Jews. I will always be a > > relative and the Arabs although foreign to me, seem to have a very > > interesting culture and history. Sacrifice is what makes sacred. That > > land will never be holy unless the two decide to make it so together. > IMHO. > > > > REH > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ed Weick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "Brad McCormick, Ed.D." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Ray Evans Harrell" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 7:55 PM > > Subject: Re: [Futurework] Athens and Jerusalem > > > > > > > Brad, take a look at > http://members.eisa.com/~ec086636/christians&jews.htm > > > on my website. It may answer your question to at least some extent. > Here > > > are some references to Judaic-Greek interactions from the site: > > > > > > "Arguably, Christianity owes its origin less to Judaism than to the > > Greeks. > > > The Christian sense of mystery and duality, of good and evil, of Heaven > > and > > > Hell, of generalized sin as opposed to disobedience of divine law, of a > > > pantheon consisting of a great god and lesser and more specialized > > spiritual > > > beings, is essentially Greek. But it would seem that what Christians > also > > > inherited from the Greeks was a prejudice against the Jews. To some > > > considerable degree, this prejudice was economically based. The Jews > > formed > > > a large part of the population of the Graeco-Roman world. Many of them > > were > > > neither poor nor downtrodden, but wealthy and powerful, a matter which > > > played no small role in their eventual persecution. > > > > > > The wealthiest Jews were to be found in the major commercial centers of > > the > > > ancient Mediterranean world. Among the most prominent of these centers > was > > > Alexandria, which was founded by Alexander himself in 332 BCE, and > which, > > in > > > a generation or two, had displaced Athens as the Mediterranean's most > > > important commercial and cultural center. > > > > > > By the standards of the day, Alexandria was a large city. At the time of > > > Christ, it had nearly half a million people, with Jews comprising some > 30 > > to > > > 40 percent of its population. From Alexandria, the Ptolemies, a dynasty > > > founded by Alexander, maintained close control over the economy of > Egypt, > > > Rome's wealthiest province and granary. However, following the death of > > > Cleopatra VII, the last of the Ptolemies, in 30 B.C., the city fell > under > > > direct Roman rule, and a path was opened to greater individual > initiative. > > > It would appear that the Jews took full advantage of this, accumulating > > > wealth and economic influence, and incurring the envy and wrath of the > > Greek > > > Gentile population. Much the same process occurred throughout the Roman > > > world, engendering strong anti-Jewish feeling. Gentiles both envied and > > > dreaded the Jews, feeling that they would be overwhelmed by growing > Jewish > > > influence while their own income and wealth remained stagnant. The > several > > > references in Greek and Latin literature to the wealth of the Jews and > > > Jewish rulers suggest that such envy was not misplaced. It became a > major > > > source of anti-Jewish hostility throughout the classical period. > (Feldman, > > > Louis H., Jew and Gentile in the Ancient World, Princeton, 1993, > > > pp.108-109)" > > > > > > Ed Weick > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Brad McCormick, Ed.D." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: "Ray Evans Harrell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 6:57 PM > > > Subject: [Futurework] Athens and Jerusalem > > > > > > > > > > It is obvious (and I read it again recently, > > > > but I didn't write down the reference...) that > > > > "The West" as we know it has a "multiple inheritance" > > > > from the Greeks and the Jews. > > > > > > > > Does anyone know anything about whether there was > > > > any contact between the two in "classical" (not > > > > late-Hellenistic!) times? > > > > What would Pericles, Aristotle, Socrates, Sophocles, > > > > Pindar, Homer, Hesiod, Pythagoras, Protagoras et al. > > > > have made of Abraham, Moses, Jeramiah, Amos, Solomon > > > > et al., and vice versa? > > > > > > > > Did they engage with each other? (That's probably > > > > historically irrelevant, since, if they did engage > > > > with each other, the engagement didn't result in > > > > a marriage, let alone any offspring -- like if the > > > > Chinese discovered The New World before Columbus, etc.). > > > > But, as psychoanalysts say: "everything is grist for the > > > > mill". > > > > > > > > And, yes, what if Alexander the Great had not died in Iraq, > > > > but had been able to complete a journey to The East, > > > > and return? Might Persepolis have become Cosmopolis (ref. > > > > Stephen Toulmin's book by that name) and ethnicities have > > > > now for almost 2,500 years, have been -- for us > > > > citizens of the universal city -- of concern only > > > > to our ethnographers? Would we today live in a world where > > > > nachines move themselves so that we no longer > > > > need slaves, but we would still spend our days > > > > in leisured pursuit of "shining words and deeds" in the > > > > public space of the [cosmo-s creating] polis? > > > > > > > > \brad mccormick > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Let your light so shine before men, > > > > that they may see your good works.... (Matt 5:16) > > > > > > > > Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. (1 Thes 5:21) > > > > > > > > <![%THINK;[SGML+APL]]> Brad McCormick, Ed.D. / [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Visit my website ==> http://www.users.cloud9.net/~bradmcc/ > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Futurework mailing list > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > http://scribe.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Futurework mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://scribe.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework _______________________________________________ Futurework mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://scribe.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework
