Ray Evans Harrell wrote:

You are a funny man Ed Weick.
REH


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    *From:* Ed Weick <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
    *To:* Ray Evans Harrell <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ; futurework
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    *Sent:* Thursday, June 12, 2003 7:25 AM
    *Subject:* Re: [Futurework] A conservative Christian economists view
    of Social Security

    The Bush family is a good example of a family that helps its members
    and its friends and does not rely on Social Security.

May I repeat at this point my contention that wealthy families essentially function as communist states (from each according to his abilities; to each according to his needs, etc.). Obviously the more *dysfunctional* they are, the more they function like something else, e.g., a StalinocracY of the dowager purse-string-holder..., where the family members try to kiss up to the Supreme Leader to get bigger allowances or just kieep from being shunned, etc.

Can you imagine Barbara contracting George W to have
breakfast with her at the world-market competitive wage or
else she'd hire somebody who would instead?  "George,
we're sorry, but we can't give you any inheritance
unless your SATs are above 1200.   Go take a
Kaplan Prep course if you can't do it otherwise...."

Of course, there are some persons who are more *consistent*
capitalists, like Leona Helmsley, whom, as I previously
noted, once permitted her personal secretary to purchase
tickets to her New Year's party.

Let's make everything into a commodity!  And you should
immediately see how there are infinite opportunities
for [meta-]growth here in terms of: *derivitives*!  Every commodity
can in its turn have its market valuation be made the
object of a derivitive to be *traded*, which not only
produces new commodities (the derivitives themselves),
but also creates new jobs (the need for
more *traders*)!  Creasit eundo!

\brad mccormick


Ed Weick


        ----- Original Message -----
        *From:* Ray Evans Harrell <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
        *To:* futurework <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
        *Sent:* Thursday, June 12, 2003 12:21 AM
        *Subject:* [Futurework] A conservative Christian economists view
        of Social Security

Since we don't have conservative Christian economists on this
list. I think it is a liberal thing to do to be sure that we
read a few of the people who Bush listens to. This man says he
didn't vote for Bush. I suspect Bush is too liberal for him. I invited him to the list but he declined not very
respectfully. But I think his view is important to know and
answer. I'm sure that Kutlow and Kramer on MSNBC agree with the
gist of what he says although they probably are not of his faith
or rationalization. Both claim to have the ear of the White
House.
REH
*Social Security and the Family
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Timothy D. Terrell
April 4, 2003


        Families in our society are fragmented in ways that would have
        been difficult to comprehend centuries ago. This is all the more
        strange because we are better able than any of our ancestors to
        communicate and meet with family members. The market economy has
        produced a wide variety of machines that allow us to speak with
        and see people across thousands of miles, and travel distances
        in a few hours that would once have taken weeks. With this
        capacity to keep in touch with family members, why is it that we
        have a greater disregard for family connections than did
        previous generations?

        Perhaps one reason is that we are less dependent on one another
        than in times past. Before the state began to provide welfare in
        its various forms, unemployment insurance, and Social Security,
        the family and the church were the primary sources of assistance
        for an individual suffering hardship. The family would properly
        be the first resort when individual resources were exhausted (/I
        Timothy 5:8, 16/). Thus, the individual who neglected family
        obligations, was quarrelsome, or isolated himself geographically
        from the family became exposed to greater risk.

        The wider availability of insurance has increased the ability of
        the individual to purchase protection from some hazards. Yet
        even when insurance can alleviate some risks, there are serious
        eventualities that would cause an isolated individual or small
        family to suffer immensely if the family or church does not step
        in. Insurance arrangements are better suited for those events
        that are unlikely, expensive, and are not substantially
        influenced by the insured's own behavior. Insurance is not for
        events that are likely. For example, aging, and a decline in the
        ability to earn income, is a likely event in the lives of most
        people. Saving is better preparation for retirement than
        insurance. In the event that catastrophic loss destroys savings,
        or higher-than-expected expenses mean that the savings are
        inadequate, the family or church may be called upon for help.

        Social Security is a poor substitute for this kind of old-age
        "safety net," in addition to whatever we might be able to say
        about its being beyond the legitimate scope of the civil
        government. First, Social Security is a wealth transfer scheme
        and not a savings plan or a charity. Money paid into the system
        goes to fund the benefits of current Social Security recipients,
        and not into actual savings accessible only by the contributor.
        Payments do not stop when the total amount received comes to
        more than the person paid in over their lifetime, plus any
        reasonable rate of interest. Instead, the payments continue,
        courtesy of those still working (who have no say in whether they
        pay in to the system or not).

        Second, Social Security does not allow for the use of discretion
        in relief of the impoverished. Yet the Bible requires us to use
        discretion in deciding whether to provide assistance, how much
        assistance to provide, and the nature of the assistance (e.g.,
        /I Timothy 5:3-16/).

        Third, Social Security does not allow unused benefits to be
        retained and passed on to heirs as an inheritance. In contrast,
        family funds allocated to the support of an elderly family
        member would remain in the control of the family if the
        supported individual should not live as long as expected.

        Fourth, Social Security is poor stewardship of the resources
        used to fund the system. Because it is a wealth transfer scheme
        instead of actual savings, the money going into the system is
        not being invested in the economy. The economy's rate of growth
        is substantially slowed by Social Security, as several economic
        studies have shown.

        Finally, Social Security eliminates some of the economic
        benefits that come from having large families. William Mattox,
        Jr., writing in /USA Today /(July 6, 1999), notes Allan
        Carlson's argument that today's smaller families may be related
        to Social Security:

            [I]t's funny how "maybe one" advocates never get around to
            complaining about the fact that their Social Security
            benefits will be largely financed by other people's
            children. Indeed, Allan Carlson, president of the Howard
            Center for Family, Religion and Society, points out that
            government old-age programs tend to disrupt the natural
            economic incentive for adults to invest themselves in child
            rearing.

            Carlson says that if Social Security did not rob Peter to
            pay Paul, Americans would be more apt to appreciate the
            long-term social-insurance value of raising children. And
            Americans would be more apt to question various economic
            projections about how ridiculously "expensive" child rearing
            is today.

        The presence of Social Security can serve as an excuse for
        family members, and the church, to dodge their responsibilities
        to widows and orphans. Because Social Security is available,
        parents may not be as concerned about maintaining a close
        relationship with their children, or church members with their
        church. When one is not financially dependent on another, one
        may be less inclined to resolve differences and pursue peace.

        The church is a backup for the family when the family cannot
        provide for its own needy (again, see /I Timothy 5:16/). Yet the
        family should be the first recourse when disaster strikes.
        Social Security bypasses the church, and makes the church and
        the family unit less economically relevant, and therefore less
        effective.

        How, then can our society move toward a more family- and
        church-oriented system of economic dependencies, and away from
        our current dependency on the state? The first step will be a
        renewed recognition of the mutual responsibilities family
        members and church members have toward one another, and a
        preparation to meet those needs. Families should save not only
        for vacations, houses, education, and retirement, but for
        emergencies beyond the immediate family. Churches should become
        sources of practical assistance, and not simply direct the needy
        to state programs.

        Next, the state can assist in returning charity and old-age
        provision to families by phasing out Social Security. There is
        no way to do this without someone losing some benefit they
        expected. Some group is going to receive less than it expected,
        whether those currently receiving benefits or those currently
        paying in to the system. Cutting benefits will succeed
        politically only if a large number are "grandfathered" into the
        current benefits setup. But the sooner Social Security taxes are
        ended, the sooner money will be freed up to go into personal
        savings and charitable efforts. Some nations have phased out
        their own Social security systems by moving to required
        contributions to individual IRA-type investments. The state has
        no legitimate authority to require people to provide for their
        retirement in any fashion, but at least the wealth
        redistribution aspect of old age provision would be reduced.

        As difficult as the politics may be, eliminating Social Security
        is, I believe, a moral obligation. The closer we move to
        reestablishing the family as an economic support network, the
        stronger our society will be.

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        /Timothy Terrell teaches economics at a small liberal arts
        college in South Carolina. In addition, he is director of the
        Center for Biblical Law and Economics, on the Internet at
        http://www.christ-college.edu/html/cble/. Dr. Terrell can be
        contacted at [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>. /


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