Hello Harry, sorry this is so-o looong, but it seemed necessary.
 
 
  The real reason, in my opinion, for going to war with Iraq had to
do with the Bush cabal having a lot invested in the areas of oil and
research, armaments and all related war industries which include
steel, electronics and communications, vehicles and aerial vessels,
to mention a few in their personal portfolios.
 
Post war construction industries would be huge, but since the top
guns in Bush's administration already made their money on the above,
they could afford to give away some to lobbyists and a few small
countries considered friendly.
 
Don't you wonder what funds got the whole war machine overseas
in the first place? Where do you suppose that 3 trillion in army defense
funds went? Do you believe that said funds disappeared mysteriously
due to a management problem related to the 9-11 crash into the
Naval section of the Pentagon, as is the official report?
 
As has often been stated by this list, there is no good reason for war, ever.
The U.S. has bullied anyone they can when they want something. Then
the inevitable occurs: the victimized nation goes bankrupt because the U.S.
never cleans up the devastation, and does little towards infrastructural
reconstruction. The U.S. leaves that to the U.N., to whom they still owe
past dues. The devastation in Afghanistan and Viet Nam and in South
America attest to that pattern.
 
Now the U.S. is on the verge of bankruptcy, but says it will rebuild.
With what, U.N. funds? And then what, other nations' money? Meanwhile,
again as has been noted on this list, the U.S. infrastructure is crumbling.
If anything real ever occurred in the way of terrorism, the U.S.
couldn't even afford to defend its own nation. Corporate accounting
systems have become so mired and complex, it would take generations to
uncover that the Bush administration and its supporters may be stealing from
the reserves, likely inventing reserves, and probably stealing from those.
 
Nine-11 was an attack allowed to happen and was the beginning of this present hell.
Following is an excerpt from a 2002 piece with the web address below it.
 
My highlights.
My words.
 
 
Sorry, it is a cut-and-paste so is wider than my current page.
 
 
 
WHAT MATTERS-80         --April 22, 2002
 
  The September 11 "Grand Coup" – The author of France’s best-selling book on 9.11 makes serious
 allegations and calls for a UN supervised commission of enquiry.
 

 Dear list members,
 
 Evidence is mounting that the 9.11 attacks were part of a "Grand Coup" for world domination. Below is
 the transcript of a presentation that adds urgency to the need to uncover the facts. The presentation
 was given by Thierry Meyssan, the author of the book “11 septembre 2001: l'Effroyable imposture”
 (Paris: Editions Carnot, 2002), which is selling like hot cakes in France. Thierry Meyssan was speaking
 at a gathering organized by The Arab League, and attended by the diplomatic corps and the
 international press corps, at the Zayed Center in Abu Dhabi (United Arab Emirates) on April 8.
 
 I have the term "Grand Coup" from Richard Moore, who produces the Cyberjournal web site (PS1). In
 the e-mail introducing the Thierry Meyssan talk to Cyberjournal list members, Richard comments:
 
 “911 was a grand coup. In a minor coup, some General takes over the government of a single country.
 In a Grand Coup the entire world order is transformed. The whole Enlightenment heritage has been
 abandoned: constitutional government, civil liberties, balance of powers, government accountability.
 International law has been abandoned, and national sovereignty is becoming a subject for nostalgia
 buffs. Police state legislation has been passed not just in the USA, the alleged target of ‘terrorism’, but
 throughout the West, in the so-called ‘modern democracies’. In the EU, the official definition of
 ‘terrorism’ now includes any civil disobedience whose objective is to ‘change the economic system’.
 
 ”This was a Global Grand Coup, with historic significance on a par with the fall of Rome, the Industrial
 Revolution, or the birth of Christianity. It marks the beginning of a new Era, what right-wingers call
 The New World Order
. In some sense, we are simply seeing capitalism finally forced to show its true
 face
. In another sense, which amounts to the same thing, (or) we are seeing Hitler's vision of a Thousand
 Year Reich being finally realized by the same crowd that funded fascism in the first place
.
 
 ”Perhaps my words seem a bit extreme. If so, that's because we are so far only seeing the
 establishment of new infrastructures, and the propagation of new mythologies. It won't become
 obvious where this is all leading until it's too late. And then most of us will be persuaded to blame
 some outside cause, most likely some version of ‘terrorism’. The media matrix reality is the hypnotic
 trance that seduces the public frog into tolerating the rising temperature in the simmering pot.”
 
 I don’t consider Richard’s words “a bit extreme”. Not at all.
 
 In friendship,
 
 Boudewijn Wegerif
 What Matters Programme
 Folkhogskola Vardingeby
 

 WHO WAS BEHIND THE SEPTEMBER ELEVENTH ATTACKS?
 A presentation by Thierry Meyssan at the Zayed Center in Abu Dhabi (United Arab Emirates) on
 April 8/2002,
and posted at disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?id=149495&article=24052 - Here*
 
 Your Highness, Excellencies, Ladies and Gentlemen,
 
 In the first minutes following the first attack on the World Trade Center, officials suggested to the
 media that the person behind the attacks was Osama bn Laden, the epitome of Muslim fanaticism. Not
 long after, the recently appointed director of the FBI, Robert Mueller III, designated nineteen
 kamikazes by name
and mobilized all the means at the disposal of his agency to track down their
 accomplices. The FBI thus never undertook any investigation but, instead, organized a man hunt,
 which, in the eyes much of the United States public, quickly took on the appearance of an Arab hunt.
 This reached such a pitch that people were incited to attack - even kill - Arabs whom they naively
 considered collectively responsible for the attacks.
 
 There was no investigation by Congress, which, at the request of the White House, renounced
 exercising its constitutional role, supposedly in order not to adversely affect national security
. Nor
 was there investigation by any media representatives, who had been summoned to the White House
 and prevailed upon to abstain from following up any leads lest such inquiries also adversely affect
 national security.
 
 If we analyze the attacks of September the eleventh, we notice first off that there was much more to
 them than the official version acknowledges.
 
 1.   We know about only four planes, whereas at one point it was a question of eleven planes. Further,
 an examination of the insider-trading conducted in relation to the attacks shows put-option
 speculative trading in the stock of three airline companies: American Airlines, United Airlines and
 KLM Royal Dutch Airlines.
 
 2.   The official version does not include the attack on the White House annex, the Old Executive
 Office Building (called the "Eisenhower Building"). Yet, on the morning of the eleventh, ABC
 television broadcast, live, pictures of a fire ravaging the presidential services building.
 
 3.   Neither does the official version take into account the collapse of a third building in Manhattan
 World Trade Center complex, independently of the twin towers. This third building was not hit by a
 plane. However, it, too, was ravaged by a fire before collapsing for an unknown reason. This building
 contained the world's biggest secret CIA operations base, where the Agency engaged in economic
 intelligence gathering that the military-industrial lobby considered a waste of resources that should
 have been devoted to strategic intelligence gathering
.
 
 If we look closely at the attack against the Pentagon, we notice that the official version amounts to an
 enormous lie.
 
 According to the Defense Department, a Boeing 757, all trace of which had been lost somewhere over
 Ohio, flew some 500 kilometers (300 miles) without being noticed. It supposedly entered Pentagon air
 space and descended on to the lawn surrounding the heliport, bounced off the lawn, broke a wing in
 collision with an electric transformer station, hit the fa�ade at the level of the ground floor and first
 story, and was totally consumed by fire, leaving no other traces than two dysfunctional black boxes
 and pieces of passengers' bodies.
 
 It is obviously impossible that a Boeing 757 could, for some 500 kilometers, escape detection by civil
 and military radar, by fighter-bomber planes sent in pursuit of it and by observation satellites that had
 just been activated.
 
 It is also obviously impossible that a Boeing 757 could enter the Pentagon's air space without being
 destroyed by one or more of the five missile batteries protecting the building.
 
 When one examines the photographs of the fa�ade, taken in the minutes following the attack (even
 before the Arlington civilian fire fighters had time to deploy), one sees no trace of the right wing on
 fire in front of the fa�ade, nor any hole in the fa�ade into which the plane could have been swallowed
 up.
 
 Apparently without the least fear of laying itself open to ridicule, the Defense Department declared
 that the jet engines, made out of tempered steel, had disintegrated under the shock of the impact -
 without damaging the fa�ade. The aluminum of the fuselage is claimed to have combusted at more than
 2,500� Celsius within the building and to have been transformed into gas, but the bodies of the
 passengers which it contained were so little burned that they were later identified from their finger
 prints.
 
 Responding to journalists during a press conference at the Pentagon, the fire chief claimed that "no
 voluminous debris from the aircraft" had remained, "nor any piece of the fuselage, nor anything of that
 sort". He declared that neither he nor his men knew what had become of the aircraft.
 
 Close examination of the official photographs of the scene of the attack, taken and published by the
 Defense Department, shows that no part of the Pentagon bears any mark of an impact that could be
 attributed to the crash of a Boeing 757.
 
 One must acknowledged the evidence: it is impossible that the attack against the Pentagon on
 September 11, killing 125 persons, was carried out by a jet airliner.
 
 The scene of the attack was thoroughly disturbed on the following day by the immediate launch of
 new construction work, with the result that many of the elements necessary to reconstruct what had
 happened are missing. The elements that do remain, however, converge in a single hypothesis that it is
 not possible to prove with certainty.
 
 An air traffic controller from Washington has testified seeing on radar an object flying at about 800
 kilometers per hour, moving initially toward the White House, then turning sharply toward the
 Pentagon, where it seemed to crash. The air traffic controller has testified that the characteristics of the
 flight were such that it could only have been a military projectile.
 
 Several hundred witnesses have claimed that they head "a shrill noise like the noise of a
 fighter-bomber", but nothing like the noise of a civilian aircraft.
 
 Eye-witnesses have said that they saw "something like a cruise missile with wings" or a small flying
 object "like a plane carrying eight or twelve persons".
 
 The flying object penetrated the building without causing major damage to the fa�ade. It crossed
 several of the building rings of the Pentagon, creating in each wall it pierced a progressively bigger
 hole. The final hole, perfectly circular, measured about one meter eighty in diameter. When traversing
 the first ring of the Pentagon, the object set off a fire, as gigantic as it was sudden. Huge flames burst
 from the building licking the fa�ades, then they shrank back just as fast, leaving behind a cloud of
 black soot. The fire spread through a part of the first ring and along two perpendicular corridors. It was
 so sudden that the fire protection system could not react.
 
 All these testimonies and observations correspond to the effects of an AGM [air to ground
 missile]-86C of the third (most recent) generation of CALCM [conventional air launched cruise missile
 -- see picture at www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/smart/agm-86c.htm - Here*.
 
 equipped with depleted uranium warheads and guided by GPS [global positioning system]. This type
 of missile
, seen from the side, would easily remind one of a small civilian airplane, but it is not a plane.
 It produces a shrill whistle comparable to that of a fighter-bomber, can be guided with enough
 accuracy to be directed through a window, can pierce the most resistant armor and can set off a fire
 -independent of its piercing effect - that will generate heat of over 2,000� Celsius
.
 
 This type of missile was developed jointly by the Navy and the Air Force and is fired from a plane. The
 missile used against the Pentagon destroyed the part of the building where the new Supreme Naval
 Command Center was being installed. Following the attack, the Navy Chief of Staff, Admiral Vernon
 Walters, failed to show up in the crisis room of the National Military Joint Intelligence Center when the
 other members of the Joint Chiefs of Staff reported there. Instead, he abruptly left the Pentagon.
 
 
 
Also, what happened to the head of security for the W.T.O. who mysteriously disappeared the night
before 9-11?
 
 
 
And as was seen in Canada last year, NO protestors were allowed anywhere
near the World Trade Conference that took place at Whistler, B.C. In fact, now
protests are not even allowed to gather on the front lawns of any parliament building
where they might block politicians, or worse yet, force them to use the back
(servants') door. I guess they are no longer the elected "servants" of the populace.
 
Whatever is the real reason, it's not justified. Bush's fever spread across
the world, and now every nation has been tormented with reactionary measures
that have distracted from the real problems in their own societies. Suddenly,
the Patriot Acts take precedence over dealing with the real terrorists in this
world like wife and child abusers, rapists, drunk drivers, pharmaceutical
giants, industrial polluters, to name a few, at whose hand they are more likely
to die than would they ever be within ten miles of a terrorist let alone be hurt
by any. These most immediate are the ones over which government has failed
to have any effect and government could care less anyway. Because of the bullies
who threaten "with us or with the terrorists", the dirt gets obscured.
 
Well, now that the U.S. can't even afford to go into Syria, let alone do
something about a real threat like N.Korea, was all of this world unrest
at so much cost in lives and future generations thanks to the depleted uranium
(which accounts for one fifth of the artillery rounds in Iraq at last estimate),
really about the world good?
 
I think we all agree that Saddam was less then nice, but was making no
threats to world safety like BushCo did. Bush senior sanctions, as devastating
as they were to the populace, had ensured that he was no immediate threat,
but to his own people. But if there were a moral reason in that, why not save
those other countless nations where more millions have been murdered by
other dictators? -- Right! No ulterior motive, no natural resources to exploit.
 
BushCo is terrorizing the world, and his own nation is in fear of terrorists
not only because of media influence, but out of guilt for ignoring people they
could afford to help, but choose to ignore.
 
The U.S. is the largest world consumer for whom forests are destroyed,
waters turned to waste, and all life forms made to pay. The U.S. naively
states third world populations are jealous. With all of the money wasted
on war and Homeland security, they could have fed the world several times
over and created sustaining jobs too.
 
35,000 children die world round daily, most in pockets of high concentration.
Little does the U.S. care. These unfortunates did not work at the financial heart
of the American dream. Nine-11 was a tragedy of enormous scale, but real estate-
wise grossly underused and the general consensus (as far back as the 80's) was to
tear it down and rebuild. But what a cost it would have been.
 
Besides, it had that nasty little C.I.A. building between the towers that held
a lot of important information.
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Harry Pollard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 1:55 PM
Subject: [Futurework] Iraq - the real reason, or the right reason

> Hi!
>
> This came to me via another list. I like what he says.
>
> The only alternative seemed to be to do nothing.
 
So, we continue to do nothing?
 
Natalia & Darryl

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