This is the last of my repostings. Sorry if I've cluttered up your mail box.
Thomas Lunde ---------- >From: "Thomas Lunde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: Christoph Reuss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [Futurework] designer drugs (was Re: The New Great Transformation) >Date: Fri, Oct 10, 2003, 1:29 AM > > Thanks for your thoughts, I think I just deleted your second > e Mail accidently. I like your posting and your thoughts and your passion > and respect your knowledge. Still, I'm not totally out to lunch and had > done some homework on Escatsy and I'm going to repost what I read. > > Without reading twenty more articles and getting totally confused, I felt > this was a pretty balanced view and the "risk" to my daughter probably less > than her standing at a bus stop at night in good ol safe Canada. > > I really enjoy futurework and appreciate the diversity of views and styles > and the broad range of knowledge each poster seems to hold. In many was, I > feel a little outside the fold - not in any negative -more in that I have > never been to University and have spend most of working life in mindless > jobs for low pay so I could read and study what I want. I'm happy in the > paths I've followed but a small muse exists within me that leads to poking a > few holes in those more learned than I but not necessarily having any more > truth of insight than I. > > This posting was one of those, let's throw a codfish on the floor and see > what everyone says - the response has been muted to you and Ray. That means > I have offended others with my smelly fish or I have wandered into > territories they choose not to go. No matter, it was a spur of the moment > thing. > > Thanks for your response and thoughts, > > Thomas Lunde > ---------- > Show your support by becoming a member. Join and get a t-shirt, mug, or > other gift ! > > > > General Info about MDMA > from Usenet & Other Sources > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > MDMA Info from the Xochi Speaks poster, by Lord Nose (1991) > > MDMA (3,4 -Methylenedioxymethamphetamine) > > Dosage: 100-150 mg/oral > > Duration: 30-60 minutes to onset; 2-3 hour plateau; 6 hours to baseline > > Effects: Ego softening; neurotically based fear dissolution; feelings of > emotionally based love and empathy. No visual effects. Lucidity retained, > in- > depth communication facilitated. Present moment awareness heightened. > > Side effects: Appetite loss; stimulation; mild jaw-clenching; mild to > moderate post-session fatigue. Occasional nystagmus (lateral eye wiggle). > Initial restlessness, nervousness, nausea, shivering or tremor. > CAUTION: May induce inappropriate and unintended emotional-bond imprinting. > Note: Reversible nerve cell toxicity has been reported in laboratory animals > at a dose equivalent to human consumption of 175 mg or more. > > Contraindications: Concurrent use of stimulants or MAO inhibitors > (see Warning). Heart ailments, glaucoma, hypertension, aneurism or "stroke" > history, hepatic or renal disorders, diabetes or hypoglycemia. > > Context: Light and warm environment; with a loved one or a few close > friends, > but sometimes with many others in celebration. > > ================================================================ > > Comments from Lamont Granquist > > MDMA, aka Ecstasy, X, XTC, E, Adam, etc, etc... > > Chemically: > ---------- > > MDMA = 3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine > MDA = 3,4-methylenedioxyamphetamine > > MDMA = N-methyl-MDA = Adam > MDE = N-ethyl-MDA = Eve > > O /\ /\ NHCH3 > / \ / \ / \ / > / | | | > CH2 | | CH3 > \ | | > \ / \ / > O \/ > > Replacing the NHCH3 with NH2 is MDA; Replacing it with NHCH2CH3 > is MDE. MBDB is formed by replacing the CH3 with CH2CH3 (I forget > the chemical name of this offhand). Replacing the NHCH3 with > a double bond to an O atom gives you 3,4-methyeledioxyphenylacetone > which is typically the immediate precursor to MDA, MDMA & MDE. > Eliminating the radical entirely and replacing the CH3 with a > double bond to a CH2 gives isosafrole which is 3,4-methylenedioxy- > allylbenzene which is an essential oil. > > If you slice off the first methylenedioxy ring you get > methamphetamine -- then replace the NHCH3 with NH2 and you're looking > at amphetamine. > > Psychologically: > --------------- > > MDMA is *chemically* an amphetamine, but psychologically its > whats known as an empathogen-entactogen. There is some amphetamine > stimulant quality left, which enhances the empathogenic quality. > The empathogenic quality is basically the ability to communicate > things to others, and the ability to feel empathy towards others. > Its sort of an "external" quality, that opens lines of communication. > The stimulating quality and the empathogenic effect are what most > recreational users seem to be after. The entactogenic effect, on > the other hand, is an internal quality. Its a sense that the > world is sort of "and okay place to be" (that sounds kinda stupid > but its hard to describe... kinda like daily affirmation with > Stuart Smalley only its a genuine feeling...). > > THESE ARE ACUTE EFFECTS!!!! You don't dose someone up with MDMA > and expect the high to last forever, thats not the concept... > > Psychotherapeutic Use: > ---------------------- > > The idea is to use the acute effects of the drug to massively > accelerate psychotherapy. The empathogenic effect has obvious > applications, both for use by the therapist and the patient. > It facilitates communication, trust, etc, ad nauseum. > > The entactogenic effect is what does the work, however. It > strengthens the ego, and is *NOT* *NOT* dissasociative. It is > the only recreational drug that I have tried to date that has > allowed me to keep a clear mind without being dissasociative > or stoning (hell, it makes my mind clearer than it normally > is) -- confusion on MDMA is not a normally encountered > problem. > > Now, if you read the book PiHKAL (Phenethylamines I Have Known > and Loved by Alexander Shulgin) or Through the Gateway of the > Heart [and I think you can find out how to get both of these from > the Misc FAQ on alt.drugs -- if not, I'll post], you will come > across very striking situations where the entactogenic effect of > MDMA can help. In particular, I believe its probably the best > way to get repressed memories to resurface that there is (provided > that the patient is prepared to remember them). The entactogenic > effect acts as an emotional brace so that the patient can > recall the event without going through incredible emotional > trauma. That allows the mind to relax its protection on those > memories and let the person remember them... > > It is *not* another LSD. LSD, IMHO, is risky for doing this kind > of shit. MDMA does not cause bad trips, and the only psychological > risk that you're in for is that the person is going to not > get anything out of it. > > Related Chemicals: > ------------------ > > Amphetamine stimulants are just useless because while they facilitate > communications (and *lots* of communication), they tend to > not do anything for a persons emotions (other than maybe inflate > their ego). > > MDA is similar to MDMA, but its an empathogen-entheogen rather > than an empathogen-entactogen. It (as opposed to MDMA) does make > one stoned, and at higher doses it tends to be hard to remember > the first part of the sentence that a person is speaking. Its > generally not considered anywhere near as useful for therapy as > MDMA, although some researchers have had some success with it. > MDE has roughly the same effects as MDA (offhand I can't recall > the details of the differences and I have never tried MDE before). > > Neurochemically, MDA and MDMA are quite different. Their active > isomers are switched, and MDA seems to effect the 5-HT2 receptor > where MDMA is inactive. > > MBDB has a somewhat similar effect to MDMA, and has been proposed > as the prototypical entactogenic drug. Its not as useful as > MDMA, however, since it doesn't facilitate the same amount of > communication. Only about 50% of the people who take it feel that > its comparable to MDMA. Neurochemically the difference is that > MBDB seems to release less dopamine than MDMA for one thing. > > Side effects and other crap: > ---------------------------- > > MDMA doesn't cause parkinson's disease -- MPTP which an entirely > different drug (an opiate) does. MDMA doesn't dry up your > spinal fluid -- thats a completely stupid and silly concept to > begin with. The way that researcher's have been *testing* for > MDMA damage is to draw a spinal tap. What they are looking for > is lower levels of 5-HIAA which might indicate damage to > 5-HT neurons. In short they haven't found anything convincing > in humans. In animals it takes large doses over consecutive > days to produce neurotoxicity (bursting of 5-HT axons, which > is reparable). With smaller doses with longer time periods > in between, there is no evidence of neurotoxicity. I have > never heard of MDMA producing paranoia or schizophrenic breaks > or anything like that -- that is an effect one might expect of > classical amphetamines or LSD (respectively). MDMA may actually > be useful in treating patients with paranoia or schizoid features. > MDMA is a damn safe drug, certainly more safe than alcohol. The > only problems would be due to its exaggerating existing heart > conditions. And also, as recently happened in England, the > stimulant qualities could make a person overextert themselves > without knowing it (however, thats really quite rare -- 7 cases > is nothing compared with the wreckage due to alcohol). > > For more info check out the alt.drugs FAQ... or the books cited > above (And add MDMA: the Ecstasy Story as another good one to > check out...). > > So, have I cleared most everything up, or are there more questions? > > ps. and _Psychedlic Encyclopedia_ is a reference that I forgot in the > original posting, but which is *very* good and for more than just > MDMA -- it also covers LSD, DMT, Harmaline, Psilocybin/Psilocyn, > and THC. > > -- > Lamont Granquist > "When dogma enters the brain, all intellectual activity ceases." > -- Robert Anton Wilson > > ================================================================ > > Comments from Brett > > Ecstasy is not a 'happy drug'. It by itself does not to anything. > That 00 gelatin capsule you bought from this guy your good friend knows... > with > bitter crystaline powder in the bottom of it... does not contain any warmth, > joy, wisdom, or experience. It contains a salt of millions of a rather > simple organic molecule. All identical. The ecstasy and joy come from > within YOU. That is your natural, instinctive consciousness when you > aren't poisoning yourself with fears, hangups, and stress. It is a glimpse > of the true empathy, calm wisdom and energy you possess when you are > living HERE, and NOW... not based on the past, future and fear. MDMA is a > chemical key to the paradise within each of us. > > > -- Brett ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > > > ================================================================ > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gregory Bush) > Newsgroups: rec.drugs.psychedelic > Subject: Re: *wondering about my ecstacy trip > Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 04:25:25 GMT > Message-ID: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rusty435) wrote: >>I did ecstacy for the first time about a month ago and loved it. I payed >>$25 for one little pill and it was fun and everything but I am wondering >>if my ecs is as strong as stuff you get on the streets. While trippin, I >>got weird sensations when I was touched but I wasnt like hardcore trippin >>or anything. no hallucinations and I could pretty much think clearly. > >>PLEASE EMAIL ME WITH COMMENTS > > Rusty... > > Apparently you were misinformed about the nature of Ecstacy! Don't > worry... First of all your $25 for a pill is very typical. I've > known people to pay up to $35 before. Unfortunately, it's quite > expensive compared to most other popular drugs, but personally I think > that's about the only down side to it. > > If you get strong visual or auditory hallucinations or "visuals" then > you did not get real X. At best you got a mixture of LSD and X, > sometimes called "Candyflip," but there are some losers out there who > apparently try to mix LSD and speed thinking it is a cheap substitute > for X and people will not notice. They are wrong of course, the > effects are completely different! Always buy from a "reputable" > source that you trust and can track down easily later. Preferably buy > from a friend who bought a couple of pills at once from someone else > and has already tried them out to know they are the right thing and > not too strong / too weak, etc. > > You also said that you could think clearly. One of (in my opinion) > the nicest things about X is that it does not feel as if your mental > processes are disturbed at all. Now, I think they *are* somewhat, but > it is nothing like being "stoned," etc. where you are confused or > "slow." In fact, if anything, your mind is much more aware and > sensitive than normal which often leaves you a bit distracted with the > beauty of mundane things. I think you could drive unimpaired (at > least in a physical sense) on X, but I wouldn't recommend it. If you > ever got stopped, a cop would immediately know that you were "on > something" from your dilated pupils, plus I think there is a tendancy > on X to not notice that you may be somewhat impaired in your thinking > or judgement -- bad things to take with you on the road. > > So, if you don't get hallucinations or get "stoned", what *do* you > get? Since you've already done it and liked it, you already know a > lot of it ... but X is a drug that in many ways you get out of what > you put into it. Just sitting around the house and washing the dishes > won't really do a whole lot for you, in other words. Here are some > suggestions that you may want to look into... > > DO... > > 1) Take it early in the evening and get some daylight hours in your > trip. There's more to look at outside, and you won't feel bad the > next morning from staying up all night. Keep in mind that sunsets are > a *great* thing to catch while you are peaking. Time your dose and > plan for it! > > 2) Trip with good friends. X can be great alone, but its even better > when you do it with people you care about. Easy and intimate social > interaction is one of the prime reasons to take X. > > 3) Listen to music -- softer New Age / Ambient / Space Music type > stuff in a dark room is *great* when it's starting to come on and when > you are coming down. Look for music that is "dramatic" with high > emotional content. Good movie soundtracks or good classical music can > be great too. Most of all, listen to what you enjoy the most. When > you are reaching your "peak" and getting antsy, something like techno > or other dance music is divine ... try closing your eyes and dancing, > moving your body to the music. Be sure to take a break every other > song or so, and stay hydrated -- don't overextert yourself; you may > not be able to tell when you do. When you are resting, find a soft, > comfy place to close your eyes and roll and wiggle around on. This > can be incredibly orgasmic in a strangely non-sexual way. If you have > a cuddly kinda friend to hug and caress, that's even better! > > 4) Go to a place with a lot of natural beauty or visual stimulus and > walk around in it. Nature trails, parks, etc. are great. A personal > favorite is the grocery store! The air conditioning feels really > weird and good on your skin, and all the rows of products and loud > colors on advertising stuff really can set you off! There are just so > many sights, sounds and smells... When you are wherever, don't just > sit or stand around. The pleasureable effects of X often come on more > when you are walking and moving. But be sure to rest now and then, > and don't run around or exert yourself a lot -- your body is already > in a excited state with somewhat higher blood pressure and heart rate. > Nothing to worry about, but no need to push it! > > 5) Talk with your friends about anything, especially about emotional > aspects of your life if you are with close friends that you trust. > You will be able to express yourself very fluently, and they will be > able to empathise with you very well, to satisfying effect. > > 6) Watch a good, really dramatic movie with superior actors in it. > You'll be surprised how much you can get into it, and how much empathy > you will have for the characters. Nonverbal communication really > stands out, especailly. You will be able to catch the most subtle > facial twitch or glance of the eyes and know exactly how the > characters are feeling and what they are thinking. The first time I > did X I watched "The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly" with a couple of > friends. I was really tripping out on it ... it was *fantastic*, and > I'd recommend it to any male X-tripper! But make sure to get > something that you know is really awesome even when you are not messed > up. Don't waste a good trip on a stupid movie -- bad acting will > *not* do it for you ... in fact when you watch a movie with even > "good" or "average" acting in it, it will become painfully obvious to > you that the people are "acting" and you will pick up not the emotions > of the character of the film, but of the actor themselves. > Entertaining kind of, but not what you're really looking for probably. > By the way, don't watch it in the theater, cause you'll want to give > commentary the whole way through -- rent a video and watch it in your > house with friends who are tripping too. Comment about the movie > while it's playing. Get up now and then and stretch and walk around > the room -- wiggle your feet and stuff when you are lying down. Some > motion and activity will use up your nervous energy, keep your trip > intensity a little higher, and besides -- it feels good! > > 7) Write your girlfriend a love letter or call her on the phone to > tell her you love her. (Careful with ex-gfs when you are on X ... > it's way too easy to call one up and gush and moan about your > "feelings" for them and regret it a lot later.) > > 8) When you are "coming down" or after you feel "mostly down" go out > into public and have a conversation with a few complete strangers in a > suitable setting -- the bar at a diner for instance. You'll probably > be surprised how natural and easy it is to talk to someone you don't > know and how well they react to you. Your conversation will probably > seem very meaningful, and you will feel a lot more confident, > friendly, and sociable afterwards. If you are on a full dose, you > probably don't want to try this while you are reaching your peak > because you will probably be a bit too intense and wired to pull this > off successfully. I think you will interface and feel more in tune > with clear-headed people than with people who have been drinking, but > find out for yourself. > > 9) When you feel "mostly down" look at yourself in the mirror for a > while. You will probably get to see yourself in a very positive > light. If you do this while you are peaking, you may look a little > weird and bug-eyed, so wait until later. This can be really cool and > very positive, especially if you normally don't think you are > particularly attractive, but YMMV... > > 10) Experiment! As you grow in experience, find other fun and > rewarding things to do while on X and share what you have learned with > others! > > 11) Think about the spiritual aspects of X and incorporate them into > your everyday life. Sure, X can be really entertaining and a lot of > fun on a Saturday evening, but can it beneficially change your life? > Think about how you feel, and how you can care about others and really > express yourself. Think about how you have lost your fears and > insecurities about yourself. Try to learn something from your > experience and take a part of it back with you. When you are down > from the trip, try to remember how you felt and recapture some of that > in your life. Smile at strangers and talk to people in the checkout > line, cherish your friends and keep in touch with family, empathise > with people and listen to them understandingly, lose some of your > fears and let people know that you care about them, give a dollar to > that Salvation Army guy and take time to help someone else. > > There are some things that I would recommend against, too... > > > DON'T... > > 1) Don't take it if you are really sleepy. Get some rest and take it > later. If you do take it, it will keep you up for six hours minimum > and you will probably feel crappy the next day, but that is your > choice. > > 2) Don't rush to take it if you are unsure about tripping right then > or have a lot of negative things on your mind. Unlike most > "psychedelics", X is a very kind, gentle and forgiving drug and it is > very difficult to have a "bad trip" on it. But don't push your luck > if you don't have to. "Set" and "Setting" are still important to what > effect the X will have on you -- it is a beautiful and multifacted gem > and can present itself in many ways. If you really are in a poor or > unstable emotional state and want to take X, then I would recommend > breaking the tablet in half and taking that. It will still pretty > much get you where you want to go, and won't leave you feeling > uncomfortable and speedy or emotionally uncontrolled if it just > doesn't come through for you the way you want it to. If you do it > while feeling acutely depressed or have a lot of bad situations in > your life right then, you may think a lot about your problems and feel > some profound sadness now and then, although there will probably still > be a strong positive push to your trip offsetting this a bit. This > can be very therapeutic, and can help you work through your feelings > if you have problems bottling up your emotions, but it will probably > be a "different" kind of trip and it would be good to have a really > close friend to talk during your trip to if you do this. > > 3) Don't underestimate it or get impatient with it. X sometimes has a > strange way of making you think that it isn't doing anything to you. > This can be especially strong the second time around when you may feel > it is not kicking in fast enough or is not as dramatic as the first > time. Don't take another pill to compensate -- just give it some > time. It will most likely come through for you in the end. Also > remember that every trip will have differences. Don't look for the > same thing to happen again and again, because it won't. Just explore > what is happening to you right then. Mild physical activity like > dancing, or sensory stimulus like good music or beautiful surroundings > can help set you off, and will have a better effect than a higher dose > usually. > > 4) Don't take more than one pill or take it more than once a week. > Your body builds a tolerance to X very quickly. If you really feel > that you are not getting the effect you are wanting after having fully > completed a trip, don't take more next time ... just wait longer > before taking your next dose. Another little trick that has actually > worked for *some* people is waiting a few weeks and taking *less* the > next time after a disappointing trip. X in higher doses has a fairly > significant "speedy" nature to it that can actually mask the > empathogenic effects. Increasing your dose may actually be decreasing > the most unique effects of X! Also there is evidence that doses > somewhat higher than the average recreational dose (possibly 5 - 10 > pills or so) can potentially cause long-term (like 6 months to > permanent) changes in your brain structure, which is something the > prudent would probably want to avoid. If you like X, but really, > really, really want visuals and the like, then you can mix a hit of X > with LSD to potentially good effect. They feed off of eachother, > though, so if you are wise you will only take half or preferably less > of the LSD you are used to. Take the LSD an hour or two before the X > so they peak around the same time. If you have never done LSD before > do *not* attempt this at all. Mixing drugs is not for the > inexperienced, and LSD can often be a real mind-bender even for the > experienced user. > > 5) Don't mix it with any kind of "speedy" drug like cocaine, > methamphetamine, crack, etc. THIS CAN KILL YOU!!! At the least it > stands a good chance of putting you in an ER somewhere or giving you a > big nasty panic attack, and that is not a fun way to spend a Saturday > night. Also there are things called MAOI drugs (monoamine oxidase > inhibiters) that can also kill you if you take them with X. If you > were taking one, you would know it though, because your doctor would > *definately* tell you and you would not be able to, for instance, eat > fermented cheese. (Go figure.) There are no common recreational > drugs that are MAOI's, so unless you are into strange tropical > hallucinogenic plants or your doctor has told you that you are on one, > you need not worry about that. > > 6) Don't take it with alcohol. If you do, don't worry. It's not > going to kill you or make you sick or anything like that, but alcohol > will deaden the effect of the X and make your trip less than it could > be, a *lot* less if you have more than a few beers. Sometimes the > come-down from X gets a little speedy-feeling and slightly > uncomfortable, and there is nothing wrong with having a drink or two > to offset that feeling and abort the tail end of your experience a > bit. I personally would feel uncomfortable drinking a *lot* of > alcohol near a dose of X because I don't think the combined effect of > alcohol and X is fully known and combining alcohol with other drugs > can increase the liver damage that alcohol already causes, especially > in genetically succeptable people. For instance, a lot of alcohol and > a lot of Tylenol can be deadly in some people. I have no idea > whatsoever whether X has a sympathetic reaction with alcohol like > this, but I like to play it safe when it comes to chemical > interactions. > > 7) Don't overexert yourself or get dehydrated and stay out of hot, > crowded places. It's rare, but several people have actually died from > heatstroke while at raves on X. You may not be able to tell when you > are overheated and ready to collapse, so be cautious and use common > sense. If you are dancing at a rave, drink lots of water, take > frequent breaks, and if possible, bring a blanket so you can sit down > outside or in a cool area to rest and talk with friends between fits > of dancing. > > *** > > Well, I think I have covered most of the bases. Hopefully you find > some of this useful, and I have not bored you to tears. Maybe you > already knew much of this, but from your post it didn't sound like you > knew a lot about X before you took it. There is *lots* of very useful > recreational drug information at http://hyperreal.com [Ed Note : Now > archived at http://www.erowid.org/] if you have a WWW browser > to view it. Most people don't take the time to do it, but > everyone *should* know everything useful there is to know about a > chemical before they dose themselves with it, whether that chemical is > legal or illegal, recreational or medical. It can both keep you out > of real trouble and potentially make your experiences a lot better and > more manageable. At the very least you will know what you are getting > into, which is important for having the best possible experience. > > It is *very* hard to find accurate drug information through easy to > access or popular means with the so-called "War On Drugs" taking place > in America, and if you really research the real, unbiased, scientific > information on these substances you will usually find it to be very > valuable. Many of the street rumours you will hear about these drugs > are false ... for instance, LSD does *not* contain strychnine, Ecstacy > is *not* frequently laced with heroin. Most people also do not know > the dangers of certain drug interactions and how to avoid serious > health problems associated with different types of drug use. > > You can use the internet to get a lot of information that will be > valuable to you if you choose to use certain drugs, and I hope that > you have found rec.drugs a good place to start. > > !!!Be Happy and Love Others!!! > > (-: GREG :-) > > ============================================================================ > = > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (LittleZero) > Newsgroups: rec.drugs.psychedelic > Subject: Re: *wondering about my ecstacy trip > Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 02:18:02 -0500 > Message-ID: > > In article , [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gregory > Bush) wrote: > >> >> >> DON'T... >> >> 3) Don't underestimate it or get impatient with it. X sometimes has a >> strange way of making you think that it isn't doing anything to you. >> This can be especially strong the second time around when you may feel >> it is not kicking in fast enough or is not as dramatic as the first >> time. Don't take another pill to compensate -- just give it some >> time. It will most likely come through for you in the end. Also >> remember that every trip will have differences. Don't look for the >> same thing to happen again and again, because it won't. Just explore >> what is happening to you right then. Mild physical activity like >> dancing, or sensory stimulus like good music or beautiful surroundings >> can help set you off, and will have a better effect than a higher dose >> usually. > > I want to second this, and stress its importance. After you take for the > first time, and have basked in its glory, you will want your next trip to > be just as good. Now knowing what to expect (the warmth, the gurgling in > your stomach, the waves) you'll spend your time looking for "signs" of > getting high. Never really knowing what you've taken, whether it is from a > friend or not, you may feel that you've taken "garbage" and feel the need > for another. RESIST. > > At the last rave I attended, I took a second full-dose E just as my first > E really hit. The combination of the two sent me way, way to far. > Basically, the warm waves became rushing tidal waves of heat (I felt I was > burning up) and the calm stomach rumblings became Tyson-esque body blows. > Needless to say, I puked. > > After that I was fine. Of course I'd removed a large quantity of the E > from my system, making the second E a complete waste. > > E, from my experience, is not physically addicting in any way, but once > you have experienced it, you get extremely giddy before taking it again, > much in the same way one gets excited for a movie that you've been waiting > for ages, or a great film you haven't seen in ages. You know you're going > to have a great time and you want it to be happening NOW, not later. > >>From my bad experience, I've learned that E will come. Make sure that when > you're going up that everyone is relaxed. That the people around you > aren't constantly going up to you and saying "Are you up? Are you up?" or > rubbing your head. You can become very self concious very quickly when > this begins to happen. My suggestion to to thank them and tell them > quietly (if possible) that you're haven't peaked yet. If they're up, > they'll find this a very positive response and will allow them to maintain > their positive outlook. > > If I can add another suggestion to Greg's list, do NOT take E if you are > congested. Due to the throat drying nature of the drug you may find > yourself feeling that you "cannot breath" and begin focusing on this. Once > this happens you really need to focus on other things. Hugging, and Vicks > (any balm will do) on the back (not under the nose) can help in regaining > your positive outlook and focus, but I would recommend just avoiding these > situations in the first place. > > Karl. > > P.S. I'm still trying to find out what "Roofies" are. Any help would be > appreciated. > > ------------------------------------------------------- > Karl j Borst & Sandra Bornn > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Originally archived by the Hyperreal Drug Archives. 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