"Dan Espen" <des...@verizon.net> wrote:
>Still giving the whole issue some thought.
>Still seems to me like:
>
>The XDG spec is faulty. It treats xxx-applications like a special
>case, but completely ignores any other root menu.
No, it's not faulty
Extract from Desktop Menu Specification V1.0
File locations
$XDG_CONFIG_DIRS/menus/${XDG_MENU_PREFIX}applications.menu
:
Implementations may chose to use .menu files with other names for tasks
or menus other than the main application menu. Such usage is not covered
by this specification.
>Shouldn't there be a xxx-settings.menu and a
>xxx-documentation menu?
If a distro think it should exist one sure. On my Debian system a
gnome-settings.menu and a kde4-information.menu but they are optional.
If a user wants them, no prob - should implement it in her/his config.
We should give the user the ability to get an applications menu.
All others are the users beer. Sure, we should give her/him the possibility
to access these menus and fvwm-menu-desktop do this.
>If there were, the menu prefix would make sense.
>Maybe no prefix for the distro default, and
>xxx- prefixes for each desktop package.
You're right. Normally the ${XDG_MENU_PREFIX} is empty by default. Only if
Extract from Desktop Menu Specification V1.0
File locations
$XDG_CONFIG_DIRS/menus/${XDG_MENU_PREFIX}applications.menu
:
Systems that offer multiple desktop environments and that want to use
distinct menu layouts in the different environments can use differently
prefixed .menu files. In this case the $XDG_MENU_PREFIX environment
variable must be set by the system to reflect the .menu file that is
being used.
I've checked 7 distros (Debian, Redhat, Ubuntu, Mandriva, Fedora,
OpenSuse) with different versions and on all ${XDG_MENU_PREFIX} isn't set.
Therefore fvwm-xdg-menu and fvwm-menu-desktop.in doesn't check it.
>I see that Gentoo claims to have a gnome-applications.menu.
On my Debian system there's also a gnome-applications.menu in
$HOME/.config/menus/ Therefore I've implemented in my fvwm-xdg-menu the
mtime check. That works on my system, but on a Xubuntu system from a
friend of mine the xfce-settings.menu was found because this menu was
changed as the last one ... so you see, not really practicable...
>Maybe what I'm seeing in Fedora is just a Fedora issue.
Maybe. But I've checked the applications-gnome.menu and applications.menu
under your system (F17 hopefully ^^) and they are 95% identical. So for
me I address the question - why this discussion? We create for 95-98% of the
distros an application menu. Perhaps for 100. If not, the user have to
look deeper in her/his system and the fvwm-menu-desktop help. Then he
must change the command and get the menu she/he wants....
@Thomas:
>...this has to state that it would override whatever XDG_MENU_PREFIX
>might be set to.
This happens if we implement the $XDG_MENU_PREFIX, yes. But at the moment
we must set this manually to get e.g. a gnome-applications.menu. But
normally
the applications.menu reflects the most applications installed on a system.
Thomas
