Le Dimanche 6 Mai 2001 15:32, vous avez écrit : > On Sun, May 06, 2001 at 03:08:52PM +0200, Olivier Chapuis wrote: > > Le Dimanche 6 Mai 2001 13:10, vous avez écrit : > > > What about the more esoteric features of the spec like unicode > > > icon titles? The spec demands that the window manager provides a > > > unicode window title even if the application did not. > > > > Nothing about unicode is implemented (yet ?) in fvwm-ewmh. This does > > not cause problems with applications that I known and which respect the > > spec. > > I'd expect problems with the desktop environment, not with the > applications. I'm not a big fan of that unicode "feature" in the > spec anyway. The corresponding paragraph in the spec can be > interpreted like this: > > The window manager should implement unicode window titles. If > it does not, it must implement unicode window titles instead. >
Basically this is true, but in practice, IMHO, this is not a problem: 1. The ewmh spec is build on the ICCCM draft. 2. The client (application) should set _NET_WM_NAME (utf-8 encoding), this is not a problem for the wm. 3. "*if* the Window Manager displays a window name other than _NET_WM_NAME the Window Manager MUST set _NET_WM_NAME_VISIBLE to the title displayed in UTF-8 encoding.", So: A desktop environment, should see if _NET_WM_NAME_VISIBLE is set, if not set then it has to look at _NET_WM_NAME and if this one too is not set then the desktop env should respect the ICCCM and use the usual WM_NAME. Of course KDE do that. 4. An application should set WM_NAME, and the wm can use it (we just have to do not say that to the free desktop group :o). The situation is the same with icon name, so it seems to me that a wm can be ewmh compliant without using utf-8 encoding. There is also the _NET_NET_DESKTOP_NAMES which use utf-8 string, but it is clearly say in the spec. that this is not an important thing (but I've got problems with KDE here :o) for an other reason I think) Any way, I am interested by the utf 8 stuff. It is a good solution for supporting all the languages. So, maybe I will implement the utf-8 part of the spec. in the future. At the present time I have to take a look at the different C libraries available. Any suggestion is welcome. > The spec forces the window manager to translate eight bit > characters to unicode. I reported this to the list along with > other inconsistencies in the spec several months ago, but nobody > seems to care :-( > Yes, there are problems in the spec., there are also good ideas and things that I do not like (e.g., Desktop applications implementation). Also, the spec. is young and there is only one "full" implementation of it. So, we may hope that version 2 will be good enough. And it seems to me that the current version is "OK" for an implementation. Regards, Olivier -- Visit the official FVWM web page at <URL:http://www.fvwm.org/>. To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe fvwm-workers" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
