On Sat, Mar 16, 2002 at 02:56:54PM +0000, Mikhael Goikhman wrote:
> On 16 Mar 2002 06:35:59 +0100, Olivier Chapuis wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 15, 2002 at 06:06:13PM +0000, Mikhael Goikhman wrote:
> > > On 15 Mar 2002 15:32:30 +0100, Olivier Chapuis wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Log message:
> > > > > > * Implemented vertical text rendering
> > > > > > * New Style SideTitleTextTopToBottom, SideTitleTextBottomToTop and
> > > > > > SideTitleTextDefault
> > > > > > * Removed matrix xft specification doc as now it is use internally
> > > > > > by fvwm
> > > > >
> > > > > Could we name it "LeftTitleTopToBottom" etc. instead?
> > > >
> > > > So it will be:
> > > >
> > > > LeftTitleTopToBottom / LeftTitleBottomToTop
> > > > RightTitleBottomToTop / RightTitleTopToBottom
> > > >
> > > > with the defaults LeftTitleBottomToTop and RightTitleTopToBottom?
> > >
> > > I think it is good to have the same configurability for TopTitle and
> > > BottomTitle, and in this case the naming scheme should be different,
> > > because it is not intuitive that RightToLeft refers to upside-down and not
> > > to upside-up with Hebrew direction.
> >
> > I do not think that we have to implement text direction configurability
> > for TopTitle and Bottom Title. The reason is that we/I should add
> > libfribidi support and fvwm will display automatically text in the
> > good direction for top/bottom title (work in progress here but this
> > may take some times).
> > On the other hands, with a LTR string, LeftTitle and LeftTitleTopToBottom
> > a priori I think that the string will be displayed bottomtotop form the
> > user language point of view.
> > But maybe we should reverse direction in such a situation??
> >
> > Any way I do not think that all these are big problems because
> > fvwm configuration commands are in English.
>
> Yes, of course, text directions LTR or RTL should not affect these options
> at all. Because the same window may have text LTR and RTL at different
> times, the text should not unexpectedly change rotation from +90 to -90.
>
> So I think my names are not ambiguos because they speak about rotation and
> names like LeftTitleBottomToTop are somewhat ambiguos, because not every
> language naturally written BottomToTop is rotated against the clock.
>
Which language(s)?
> > > So, maybe to clear the same confusion for side titles, name the options
> > > as:
> > >
> > > LeftTitleUpsideRight / LeftTitleUpsideLeft (default)
> > > RightTitleUpsideRight (default) / RightTitleUpsideLeft
> > > TopTitleUpsideUp (default) / TopTitleUpsideDown
> > > BottomTitleUpsideUp (default) / BottomTitleUpsideDown
> >
> > Here I am really confused, maybe the reason is that my english is
> > poor, but I am unable to understand the logic of these names :o)
>
> I may only guess that my usage of the word "Upside" is correct, I think
> yes. An explanation of my options when the text is "OK".
>
The sentence "... the upper side of the text ..." clearly explain
the meaning of your config option names.
>
> UpsideDown means that the text is rotated like this:
>
> >| <>
> -----
>
I do not understand for what we need TopTitleUpsideDown and
BottomTitleUpsideDown style.
Also to add to my confusion if you take the string "MA"
UpsideDown means the follwing rotation:
| |\__/
|/\| \/
--------
what about
\__/| |
\/ |/\|
--------
? :o)
Really I am ready to adopt any naming scheme. I take 2 hours
to write this message and now I am quite nervous!
Two hours for nothing ...
Please send 2 or 4 names and concrete explaination for
the horizontal rotations.
Olivier
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