FWIW, I love the way Mootools (www.mootools.net) allows you to create
your own download that's mix-n-matchable. It wouldn't be too hard to
figure out how to work out dependencies for the more specific compents
(PDF, Locale, etc.) so that you could tailor-make your own ZF download
for your specific application.
Just a thought!
Cheers
Hi Andi,
I agree with you that breaking the distribution is not the solution.
I also
agree that one can significantly reduce the size as you've mentioned
by
deleting unwanted sections but then the concern would be that the
person is
modifying the framework distribution and cannot be 100% sure that
what he is
doing will not have a negative effect. What I'd rather propose is
releasing
a light version of the framework that focuses only on the very
basics of any
web application; you dont have to to consider ajax or soa or web
services
or internationalization or any of the overwhelming features that the
full
framework has. The reason behind this opinion is that when someone
sells web
products, they want the overall size of the application to be in
proportion
with its function. For example, if the functionality of my product
can be
achieved in 400Kb using naked coding, I wouldn't want its size to
exceed 4Mb
using a framework. On the other hand I feel compelled to use
ZendFramework
because I want my code to adhere to the standards it sets. And
because using
a standard framework will make it easy for anyone to customize /
tailor my
product to fit their needs because the framework is well documented.
I hope
you can see the problem from my perspective.
Thanks,
Zuhair Naqvi.
Andi Gutmans wrote:
Hi Zuhair,
One of the benefits of the Zend Framework is that it delivers both a
hollistic piece of software which is well tested and released
together
and at the same time employs a "use-at-will architecture". So I
think we
deliver the best of both worlds. I would not want to break
distribution
into bits and pieces as I think it would reduce the value of shipping
one piece of code that's easy to distribute which is fully tested and
supported. It also allows you to do more structured upgrades from
version to version where the main Zend Framework directory would just
need upgrading (with an easy way to rollback).
If you are really concerned about size of download/installation then
nuking tests/ and locale/ will shrink it to about 5MB (~1.5 MB
compressed). I doubt this size would really be an issue for anyone.
Andi
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From: Zuhair [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 9:57 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [fw-general] ZF is ubeatable BUT...
Zend Framework will certainly bring about a major paradigm
shift in the PHP spectrum and I am very impressed by the
quality of code it offers BUT the only thing that has been
discouraging me from adopting this remarkable framework is
that it wants to become yet another pear library. I want all
my code, including the framework to be an integral part of my
application. In effect, I make sure to the extent possible
that the only dependency to my application will be PHP
itself. This is where the size of ZendFramework comes into
play. Let's say that I am developing an e-commerce product
which I want to sell and I want it to work out of the box on
any standard PHP5 hosting. In this case, I cannot afford to
have 120MB of framework code where as my actual application
code is hardly 2MB. The zend-framework must provide an option
for the users to pick and use one or some of its features
independently so that I can get away with picking only the
MVC, DB and AUTH parts and greatly reduce the code overhead.
Correct me if I am wrong.
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