Hello,
Actually when i first time mentioned about needs of a Zend_Layout like
component (described in my terms), lot of time ago i was seen as a
people who needs something excentric (which "fights with frameworks")...
Things as Zend_Layout or Zend_Form were actually started by people which
doesn't have anything with core dev team, and were lately integrated
(some in trunk now, some into laboratory) due to pressure to have
something similar which exists on competition (and which is quite needed
on production).
On #zftalk actually lot of people are dissapointed by the way ZF turned
to 1.0, been a less complete solution than most of other PHP based
framework (or platforms for web dev as Ruby on Rails just to remember a
peon, not a big player)...
Also PHP seems quite dead as language, and i wasn't seen a news about
PHP 6.0 by more than 2 years i think... Just Google "PHP 6" to see what
i am talking about... Not saying that there is no dev, you can see it
under snapshot, but compared with any other major platform for web dev
PHP is way too slow on dev... Just to have a small idea about loose is i
searched some weeks ago about couple of web applications and I did found
quite many on alternative platforms but only one over PHP...
Idea is PHP itself is quite dead for enterprise web development and
probably the ZF would be the last chance to be on cards. And if is going
to turn to PHP way (way too slow on dev, and with lot of weak points)
would be a dead attempt with so much competition around...
Also, not enough that PHP is way on the loose but also Apache & Linux
itself are slowly decreasing on share on the market (just see for the
trends on the last year on the server market)...
Just some thoughts...
Cristian
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-- Cristian Bichis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
(on Sunday, 23 December 2007, 09:48 PM +0200):
Probably many of us are wondering where would be included on core Zend_Form ?
It is scheduled for the next minor release (1.5.0). Please see the
composite Zend_Form proposal for more information on its scope:
http://framework.zend.com/wiki/display/ZFPROP/Zend_Form
Is a "must" to component, and almost wondering why was not (as Zend_Layout)
made directly into 1.0 release since is a vital component for doing RAD
solutions. Many of us we are still stucking with HTML Quick Form or similar
since there is nothing to take place on ZF.
The reason is that 1.0.0 focussed on getting the framework foundations
in place; Zend_Layout and Zend_Form build on top of those foundations in
order to do their work. Yes, not having them detracts from the value of
the framework -- but the other option would have been to put off having
a stable API for the framework for another year, which is an even less
desirable solution.
As it is, Layouts can be achieved easily with the existing plugin
system. Forms are trickier, though... but, as you mention, you can use
other solutions from other libraries until Zend_Form is released.
I invite you to test out Zend_Layout and Zend_View Enhanced, both of
which are stable and in the svn trunk. When Zend_Form starts finding its
way into the incubator and eventually core, please test it as well; this
will likely be within the upcoming weeks.
