A mailing list specifically concerning development: +1

IRC is an excellent live tool - but it comes with the assumption you can afford 
to spend lots of time on it. Logging helps quite a bit so long as it can be 
kept that way - losing the #zftalk logs turned me off using it regularly since 
it made tracing discussions impossible which was the one factor allowing 
someone with a spare hour to watch the IRC convos to jump in at random and 
cover new ground - not old ground covered the hour before. No logs, no history, 
no clue as to the current conversation topics doing the rounds... I still don't 
undertstand why logging was problematic - I could have sworn the list was 
public...

Which leaves a mailing list - logged, searchable, encourages longer or more 
deliberate replies and doesn't require you to become an IRC bot ;). The other 
factor is time - I live in Dublin on GMT, which means IRC results in lots of 
missed opportunities with developers who are so far outside GMT that we're not 
even online at the same time or for too short a time to make a difference.

Paddy

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----- Original Message ----
From: Nick Lo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Zend Framework General <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, July 5, 2008 12:42:36 AM
Subject: Re: [fw-general] Why haven't you reviewed the Zend_Tool proposals?

>> I’m finding harder to follow the ZF development specific post in the
>> general mailing list because it got busier with end-support. In the
>> other hand the others mailing lists are almost not used and  
>> forwarded to
>> fw-general most of the time.
>>
>> I feel like 2 mailing list will be enough :
>> * fw-general for end-users
>> * fw-dev for ZF development.
>
> I agree. Two lists, one for end-user support/general questions and one
> specifically for ZF developers (contributors & people interested in  
> the
> direction of ZF) would be better until there is enough activity to
> warrant splitting them up further.
>
> Christoph

+1 on this from me.

I subscribe to the Django mailing lists which are setup this way and I  
thought the same thing when I realised I was finding them easier to  
follow, even without being a Django developer. In the early days of ZF  
the split of mailing lists around components was fine as they were  
almost all development based discussions. Now there is such a mix of  
how-to questions with development discussions that it's quite a trudge  
to keep up with the latter.

As newer components like Zend_Form came out things got messier as  
development and how-to questions were scattered across fw-general AND  
fw-mvc (on that note: I was impressed with how well Matthew kept up  
with them in that regard!). The discussions about Zend_Tool are  
another example of how this problem can only increase.

Nick

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