*raises hand* I'd definitely be interested in getting Zend_Tool out there as well, and I'd be happy to help if I can.
Ralph, I'll checkout the code from the lab as soon as I get home. I must say that Paddy and Rob said what I think, too: The Zend_Tool and Zend_Build proposals somehow lack the... the "thing" that makes them all fall into the big picture, something about the roles they play. Also, in my opinion, there also is some confusion out there what the tooling environment of ZF will actually *do* when it's done. Some early posts, for example, mentioned a thing like "autogeneration of ACLs", something that nobody lost a word about in recent mails. The ZF tooling environment somehow lacks something that really makes it outstanding from the rest of (CLI) build tools out there. OK, That last one is arguable, since (y)our build environment is fully configurable via XML, but it does nothing others couldn't do, which is sort of sad when I look back at the high expectations (or speculations?) that were built up in the first mails about a ZF tooling environment. my .02. Best regards Tobias 2008/7/11 Ralph Schindler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Paddy + Rob, > > Thank you guys for taking a look at the code. It appears that there are > some things getting confused with respect to the code and where it lives. > > Rob, I noticed in your last post you mentioned some artifacts that are not > part of my proposals and the work I have been doing, but part of Wil's > initial initiative. > > Ill remove those pronto so that there is no more confusion. > > Currently, I am preparing the codebase inside the lab. Right now I am > putting together some loose functional tests and a script/quickstart to get > you exactly everything you need to get this working on your system. > > Since you guys have shown the interest, what are both of your > availabilities > so that I can perhaps be available to you to get you up to speed? After I > get my code checked in and ready for you, I would really appreciate if we > can do a screencast or conf. call or whatever so I can better know how to > transfer all this knowledge. > > That goes for anyone in the community that is interested in putting effort > into this initiative. > > More on this in a few hours :) > -ralph > > > On 7/11/08 9:32 AM, "Pádraic Brady" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Hi Rob, > > > >> I'm hoping to have some time to see if I can help tackle the "big > >> picture" issues this weekend/early next week. It seems obvious to me > >> that we should start with a list of desired functionality and an idea > >> of how the command line syntax should look. We can then follow that on > >> with some notes on how to customise what happens when you run any > >> given function. > > > > I was under the same impression but there seems to be a lot of momentum > > we're not seeing. With a prototype scheduled for 1.6, it would appear > this > > process has already been done internally but the current proposals just > > don't capture this in any way or give any clue as to progress in this > > respect. Like I said, the proposals very much appear to be implementation > > details for an as yet undisclosed vision of how Zend_Tool and Zend_Build > > will operate in tandem from the command line. Until it's disclosed > there's > > nothing there for the community to review (I wouldn't know where to start > at > > present), and a 1.6 prototype is the only thing currently on the cards > which > > will open up that box just as it will build up expectations of how the > final > > command line tools will be presented among users. > > > > ----- > > Pádraic Brady > > > > http://blog.astrumfutura.com > > http://www.patternsforphp.com > > OpenID Europe Foundation - Irish Representative > > -- > Ralph Schindler > Software Engineer | [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Zend Framework | http://framework.zend.com/ > > >
