Hey all,

If you don't know by now, and I'm not sure why you haven't, this year I
switched from Fedora to Ubuntu on every box that I use in my house.

Ubuntu as a server is weaker than the desktop.  I still believe at this
point that fedora makes a better server than Ubuntu -- as long as you
stick to the fedora repo.

Having said that, I'm maintaining an Ubuntu server and two desktops in
my house.  [EMAIL PROTECTED] goes directly to it.  And there are a
few inconveniences still.   Spamassassin wouldn't start by default, and
there's no built-in facility afaik to handle iptables scripts.

Some things don't start unless you edit the /etc/default/something file
to enable it.  Oh and if you're not paying attention when you upgrade a
package with something you modified in /etc/default/something it can
break on the next reboot.

rc scripts that start up using bashisms won't work under dash... 

All in all yes, ubuntu can be made to work as a server, but in some
sense it's almost better to take something that's meant to be a server
such as CentOS, Fedora, OpenSUSE, Gentoo, RHEL, SLES, etc.

Or better yet, as Vern just stated before, simply use Debian which was
what Ubuntu was originally a fork of.

--R

On Tue, 2007-07-17 at 21:49 -0400, ChasJTurner wrote:
> Vern Ceder wrote:
> > Dutch,
> > 
> > The biggest trick IMHO is adapting to the whole Debian mindset. Managing 
> > Ubuntu  servers via SSH is no problem - we do that all the time, but you 
> > need to learn the tools that Debian prefers  - things like 
> > update-alternatives, update-rc.d, etc.
> > 
> > And Ubuntu/Debian servers have their own quirks in regard to the 
> > locations of various files, the default settings of various services - 
> > some things are in odd places, others are disabled by default, even if 
> > it doesn't really make sense, etc.
> > 
> > But overall, it's not hard as long as you are willing to ferret out and 
> > learn the differences.
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > Vern
> 
> This sounds like a good topic for a presentation. I am about ready to
> deploy an ubuntu based mail server, and I am totally lost wrt these
> issues. Help Mr.Wizard!
> Are there any good resources out there that get one up to speed on the
> debian/ubuntu mindset? I started on Mandrake, and once I sorta figured
> that out, I about ripped my hair out trying to grasp what and where SuSE
> stuck things. After SuSE pooped on the community, I started switching to
> (u,ku,edu)buntu. Now, where did all of that stuff go this time???!!!
> Anyone wanna drink about this when we talk beer on Thursday?
> 
> charlie
> 
> > Dutch Rapley wrote:
> >> So for the past several years I've maintained a CLI only SUSE Linux 
> >> server in production. I don't have much desktop Linux experience, just 
> >> mostly server-side. My new job duties are requiring to relinquish my 
> >> Linux administration duties for the time being.
> >>
> >> However, I'm going to use spare time that I have to become more familiar 
> >> with Ubuntu as any Linux server in the future will, more than likely, 
> >> run Ubuntu. Again, from a server perspective, not a desktop perspective. 
> >> After installation, all my Ubuntu boxes will be headless and my 
> >> interface with each machine will only be through SSH.
> >>
> >> I was wondering if anyone has any tips and advice they could offer, 
> >> especially since I'm moving from an rpm/Redhat based distro.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Dutch
> >>
> >>
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