I gotta say this is way over due linux has needed some kind of serious exposure for some time now. I have been to a few of your meetings and while very nice 90% goes right over my head. I am not a tech just a construction worker that got tired of frying windows based computers from viruses. Bottom line if I can do linux anyone can count me in if you need any help besides jan and feb (may be warming up in FL). I almost always go with the ubuntu based distros and try to hook my buddies up with ubuntu type goodies. The only unit I run another distro on is my laptop it only likes open suse and DSL for some reason. As far as advertising I may be able to help with some ideas on the cheap or better yet FREE.
On a side note I love the idea of a both showing off up and running machines, if time and space permit what about a booth to load a distro for folks if they bring in there machines(for those that realy dont get it) Has anyone given any thought to where the target audiance might be? Craig > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Fwlug Digest, Vol 34, Issue 12 > To: [email protected] > Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 12:00:20 -0400 > > Send Fwlug mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://fortwaynelug.org/mailman/listinfo/fwlug_fortwaynelug.org > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Fwlug digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. udev problems (Jeremy Nelson) > 2. Linux Outreach Program ( Sim?n Ruiz ) > 3. Re: Linux Outreach Program (Vern Ceder) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 20:01:38 -0400 > From: "Jeremy Nelson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [fwlug] udev problems > To: "Fort Wayne Linux Users Group" <[email protected]> > Message-ID: > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hey guys - I've been struggling all day with a problem that I can't > seem to get resolved. Even though I moved to Indy this summer, I must > say the CINLUG really lacks the active user base and definitely an > active mailing list, so I'm hoping one of you guys can give me a hand. > > When we set up Oracle on a 3 node cluster with a SAN, our DBA assigned > the /dev/sd* devices to ASM (Oracle), not planning for possibility > that they could change in the future. Now we've another device to the > SAN and now we have the lovely behavior of /dev/sdb and /dev/sdc > belonging to the new SAN device LUNs, while all the older SAN LUNs > have been bumped up by 2 letters (old /dev/sdb is now /dev/sdd, old > /dev/sdc is now /dev/sde, etc.) > > For the future, we'll use the WWN's to refer to the devices, but > considering that there are 64 drives on the older SAN, we really don't > want to go back and repoint all the volumes in Oracle. > > I wrote a udev rule that seems to be running just fine as follows: > > BUS=="scsi", SYSFS{vendor}=="TMS", SYSFS{model}=="RamSan", > PROGRAM=="/sbin/scsi_id -g -u -s /block/%k ", > RESULT=="20020c24000052434", NAME="ramsan" > > The problem is that it creates the /dev/ramsan device I want, but I > still am stuck with a /dev/sdb that's tied to the same kernel device > (major/minor numbers). > > Anyone have an idea what I'm doing wrong? This shouldn't matter much, > but this is a Red Hat Enterprise Linux 5.2 server. I know, I know, > it's not my favorite distro, either, but it's the only option if we > want support from IBM and Oracle. And, yes, I called Red Hat (and > suffered through about 20 minutes on hold, and that's "premium > support"), but they're supposed to "get back to me". The guy I was > talking to couldn't even spell my company's name right after about 3 > attempts and explanations, so I'm not too hopeful about that avenue. > > Thanks for any insight you can provide. > > Jeremy > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 23:04:55 -0400 > From: " Sim?n Ruiz " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [fwlug] Linux Outreach Program > To: "Fort Wayne Linux Users Group" <[email protected]> > Cc: Sarah Ruiz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Message-ID: > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hello, all, > > For those that weren't at the LUG meeting tonight, Carol Rutz, my wife > Sarah, and myself announced our intention to organize an event at the > Fort Wayne Public Library (downtown branch) aimed at getting Linux a > bit of exposure amongst the absolutely non-technical general > population. > > Our target audience is the sort of people who don't care what an > "Operating System" is, and glaze over when you start enumerating the > four freedoms. We're not looking to evangelize to the unready so much > as hoist the banner and sound the call for those who would be > interested if they knew there was an alternative. > > Tonight's meeting was a perfect example of why the FWLUG, while an > excellent resource for us geeks that have already drunk the kool-aid, > is pretty intimidating and probably more harmful than useful for the > less-than-geeky that might be interested in experimenting with Linux, > but aren't yet ready to inhale. > > So far our idea is to hold an event that features some (interactive) > talks BY beginners and FOR pre-beginners raising awareness that there > is an alternative to the proprietary software culture. > > Some ideas we've tossed around for talks include a tour of the default > desktop ("Here's how I browse the web, check my e-mail, write letters > to my mom on a word processor, balance my checkbook on a spreadsheet, > chat with my friends on AIM...and play mahjongg!"), maybe a talk about > "What is Free Software?" or "How can all this great stuff be Free?" or > something explaining the basic differences between the free and > proprietary software worlds in a totally practical, beginner-friendly > way, and a demonstration of the installation process at the end. > > Having a booth out front to catch the curious, answer questions, and > let them know they're welcome to come on in would be good. > > We'd also like to have a hands-on demo "lab" so that people can sit > down and play with a running Linux system while they're listening to > the talks. > > We're planning to use Ubuntu for a) its general beginner-friendliness > and b) the fact that both of us are Ubuntu users and active Ubuntu > LoCo members. We're not interested in dissing the other distros, and > this sort of event is not the time to throw the rainbow of choices at > people. > > We want to make sure interested people leave with a CD and some > literature as a) a physical reminder of what they saw/heard b) a > starting point for their personal experimentation and c) information > on how to get a hold of help when they need it. > > It would be really cool coordinate this with a FWLUG InstallFest > (haven't had one of those in a while) that we can advertise at the > event for anyone who's interested in making the switch and doesn't > have the confidence to go through an install alone. > > We're totally willing to drive this so we're not asking anyone else to > take point on it, and we would love your help. So far, we're still in > brainstorming, information gathering and planning mode, but have never > planned something like this and would appreciate any ideas, guidance, > and experience. > > For instance, we'd like to have a decent, coordinated marketing effort > for about a month before the actual event (no date planned, yet, > probably early 2009) to get the word out, and aren't sure of all the > media outlets we should target and such. > > Also, we'd like to pick a good, high-traffic time at the library to > attract the innocent by-standers but aren't sure when would be best. > > As far as day-of help, we'd like to get some of you who aren't > uber-geeky to participate, to be the face of this. People who think > ways of creating hash tables in bash are cool tend to scare off our > target audience. ;-) (No offense, Rob. I think it's pretty neat, too.) > > Anyhow, I just wanted to throw this out there to stimulate thought. > > We'll be hitting up the library soon to get clear about how that part > of the equation will work; how to request the facilities, what we can > do, what kind of space we'll be able to use, etc. > > I'll keep the list updated on how this vision develops. > > Sleep well, especially those who have work meetings at 7:20 tomorrow > morning... ;-) > > Sim?n > > P.S. James brought up the excellent point that this sort of thing > would be more effective as a repeated series so as to generate buzz > with the first ones and attract more people for the subsequent events. > We're kind of leaning towards organizing one to begin with and seeing > what the reaction was, and where we go from there. I'd like to hear > your thoughts one way or another on this. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 00:13:14 -0400 > From: Vern Ceder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [fwlug] Linux Outreach Program > To: Fort Wayne Linux Users Group <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed > > I wish you well - anything that furthers the cause is all to the good. > > OTOH, I am a little troubled by the implication that anyone who knows > shell scripting can't be trusted to talk to little old ladies without > scaring them with long discourses about hash tables in bash. I'm not > sure how you intend to make sure that innocents don't accidentally come > into contact with geeks, but the whole idea seems a tad divisive to me. > > As to Rob's hash tables, in all the years I've known him, he never > mentioned it before, and in fact it IS a cool geek trick that was > directly related to the topic. To suggest he would talk about that to a > newbie does a disservice to him and ignores the time he has spent > patiently (and non-threateningly) working with newbies at our > installfests and meetings. > > I guess I would rather see something where we showed people that in the > Open Source community both the experienced and the inexperienced work > together, and that if you need more technical expertise, it's available > without any stigma. > > Just a thought from a geek... > > Cheers, > Vern > > > Sim?n Ruiz wrote: > > Hello, all, > > > > For those that weren't at the LUG meeting tonight, Carol Rutz, my wife > > Sarah, and myself announced our intention to organize an event at the > > Fort Wayne Public Library (downtown branch) aimed at getting Linux a > > bit of exposure amongst the absolutely non-technical general > > population. > > > > Our target audience is the sort of people who don't care what an > > "Operating System" is, and glaze over when you start enumerating the > > four freedoms. We're not looking to evangelize to the unready so much > > as hoist the banner and sound the call for those who would be > > interested if they knew there was an alternative. > > > > Tonight's meeting was a perfect example of why the FWLUG, while an > > excellent resource for us geeks that have already drunk the kool-aid, > > is pretty intimidating and probably more harmful than useful for the > > less-than-geeky that might be interested in experimenting with Linux, > > but aren't yet ready to inhale. > > > > So far our idea is to hold an event that features some (interactive) > > talks BY beginners and FOR pre-beginners raising awareness that there > > is an alternative to the proprietary software culture. > > > > Some ideas we've tossed around for talks include a tour of the default > > desktop ("Here's how I browse the web, check my e-mail, write letters > > to my mom on a word processor, balance my checkbook on a spreadsheet, > > chat with my friends on AIM...and play mahjongg!"), maybe a talk about > > "What is Free Software?" or "How can all this great stuff be Free?" or > > something explaining the basic differences between the free and > > proprietary software worlds in a totally practical, beginner-friendly > > way, and a demonstration of the installation process at the end. > > > > Having a booth out front to catch the curious, answer questions, and > > let them know they're welcome to come on in would be good. > > > > We'd also like to have a hands-on demo "lab" so that people can sit > > down and play with a running Linux system while they're listening to > > the talks. > > > > We're planning to use Ubuntu for a) its general beginner-friendliness > > and b) the fact that both of us are Ubuntu users and active Ubuntu > > LoCo members. We're not interested in dissing the other distros, and > > this sort of event is not the time to throw the rainbow of choices at > > people. > > > > We want to make sure interested people leave with a CD and some > > literature as a) a physical reminder of what they saw/heard b) a > > starting point for their personal experimentation and c) information > > on how to get a hold of help when they need it. > > > > It would be really cool coordinate this with a FWLUG InstallFest > > (haven't had one of those in a while) that we can advertise at the > > event for anyone who's interested in making the switch and doesn't > > have the confidence to go through an install alone. > > > > We're totally willing to drive this so we're not asking anyone else to > > take point on it, and we would love your help. So far, we're still in > > brainstorming, information gathering and planning mode, but have never > > planned something like this and would appreciate any ideas, guidance, > > and experience. > > > > For instance, we'd like to have a decent, coordinated marketing effort > > for about a month before the actual event (no date planned, yet, > > probably early 2009) to get the word out, and aren't sure of all the > > media outlets we should target and such. > > > > Also, we'd like to pick a good, high-traffic time at the library to > > attract the innocent by-standers but aren't sure when would be best. > > > > As far as day-of help, we'd like to get some of you who aren't > > uber-geeky to participate, to be the face of this. People who think > > ways of creating hash tables in bash are cool tend to scare off our > > target audience. ;-) (No offense, Rob. I think it's pretty neat, too.) > > > > Anyhow, I just wanted to throw this out there to stimulate thought. > > > > We'll be hitting up the library soon to get clear about how that part > > of the equation will work; how to request the facilities, what we can > > do, what kind of space we'll be able to use, etc. > > > > I'll keep the list updated on how this vision develops. > > > > Sleep well, especially those who have work meetings at 7:20 tomorrow > > morning... ;-) > > > > Sim?n > > > > P.S. James brought up the excellent point that this sort of thing > > would be more effective as a repeated series so as to generate buzz > > with the first ones and attract more people for the subsequent events. > > We're kind of leaning towards organizing one to begin with and seeing > > what the reaction was, and where we go from there. I'd like to hear > > your thoughts one way or another on this. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Fwlug mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://fortwaynelug.org/mailman/listinfo/fwlug_fortwaynelug.org > > -- > This time for sure! > -Bullwinkle J. Moose > ----------------------------- > Vern Ceder, Director of Technology > Canterbury School, 3210 Smith Road, Ft Wayne, IN 46804 > [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 260-436-0746; FAX: 260-436-5137 > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Fwlug mailing list > [email protected] > http://fortwaynelug.org/mailman/listinfo/fwlug_fortwaynelug.org > > > End of Fwlug Digest, Vol 34, Issue 12 > *************************************
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