Hi Joe,

I'm assuming that Greek prices are less tariff-tormented these days than they were back in my time there. From browsing the plaisio site that seems to be the case. So yeah, I'd agree that 1000€ is plenty for a decent system.

IMHO the areas where skimping is not a good idea are power and cooling. A marginal power supply may not be able to handle a peak load once everything is installed, and cheap fans tend to be noisy and then have bearing problems (which makes them VERY noisy) and then fail. So given the collection of parts you have, I'd probably spring for a 500W power supply (they have the big brother of the one you list for 70€) and you also consider a case that included an extra fan, which your choice does not. Either way, check the reviews of the power supply to see whether its fan is quiet and holds up well.

Καλὴ τύχη!

Vern

Joseph Brennan wrote:
This is slightly off-topic, but it's tangentially Linux-related and I don't know where else to turn for help.

My cousin's husband in Greece is convinced that I'm a master hacker because I showed off a few Linux command line tricks on my netbook while I was there. He wants me to help design a new PC for him, for 1000€ or less (about $1,250). He is obsessed with having the latest everything. The main tasks he wants the computer for are e-mail/Internet and playing a Windows XP-based rally racing video game (the company he wants to buy from only offers Windows 7, so I'm not sure what he's going to do about that). I told him I don't think he needs to spend that much because his game is old and isn't as much of a resource hog as newer games, so he doesn't need as much memory and processing speed as he thinks. I wanted him to look for a used computer with XP to run his game, with the ability to dual-boot Ubuntu, of course. He won't listen. Only the best, he says---as long as I stay under $1,250.

So, I'm trying to help him design the fastest, most durable system I can while staying within his budget. The problem is, while I have experience breathing new life into old computers, I have never set out to build an entirely new one. I've never needed, for instance, to buy a new fan. They've always just worked. Is a 60€ fan really 25% better than a 45€ fan? Something tells me "no," but I've never had to buy one. I've picked the cheapest parts possible while keeping in mind that he wants high performance, a bigger monitor, and probably the smallest profile possible for the rest of the computer. The price is 1,250€, which is over-budget. I'd like to remove Windows7, which adds over $100 US to the price, but he wants a Windows machine. (I will, however, be sneaking an Ubuntu dual-boot install onto it the next time I visit!)

Any suggestions on cost-cutting measures? Is the i7 really worth the premium over the Core2 Duo? Wanring: Massive amounts of HTML and some Greek characters follow...

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