Greg. I too am looking at installing Tiger on a non-firewire Clamshell.
They are awkward to take apart but can be done. I have done a few and wondered if there was a way without removing the drive. If you have Tiger on CD, I wonder if there is an open firmware hack. I know you install Leopard on pre-867mhz G4s with an open firmware edit, wondered if something similar was available for Tiger. I have a modified Tiger DVD which works but when tried with Tiger CD never works. I know some DVD drives are funny over burnt DVDs but I have never had a problem with CDs. I just use cheap CDs and for everything else they have been fine. Simon --- www.simonroyal.co.uk and www.nmug.org.uk (sent using Nokia E71) -original message- Subject: Re: how to clone to a non-firewire clamshell ibook From: "Greg Koelpien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 27/09/2008 23:21 The clamshell ibooks have an non-accessible hard drive. There's no way to remove it without undoing dozens of screws and complex wires. The problem with the older machines with CD-ROM drives is that the drives can be finicky with burned CD-R disks. My Tiger DVD won't work (CD only) and my burned CD-R didn't boot, either. I suppose the thing to do would be to try different brands of blank discs, as some brands work better in finicky drives. thanks, all; I thought there might be a simpler solution, but it appears that there isn't... Greg On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 3:21 PM, Simon Royal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Kris. > > Thanks. A lot to think about. > > Booting from Panther/Tiger DVD and restoring the internal from a USB hard > drive might be the easiest option, other than removing the drive. > > Simon > > --- www.simonroyal.co.uk and www.nmug.org.uk (sent using Nokia E71) > > -original message- > Subject: Re: how to clone to a non-firewire clamshell ibook > From: Kris Tilford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 27/09/2008 20:59 > > > On Sep 27, 2008, at 9:38 AM, Greg Koelpien wrote: > > > Is it possible to clone to a clamshell ibook that doesn't have > > firewire? This would mean, I'm assuming, connecting to another mac > > using either a USB or a cat-5 ethernet connection. > > > > Forgive me if this has been addressed already, but I cannot find > > this situation answered in the archives. > > You can clone several ways, all slightly problematic. > > One, boot from an OS X Panther or Tiger CD and after the CD boots use > Disk Utility's "Restore" function to clone from a USB external HD to > the ATA internal HD or vis versa. This is problematic, for Tiger you'd > need to use XPostFacto or a Tiger CD with modified OSInstall.dist file > to boot the CD; a Panther CD should boot normally. > > Another way if the volume you're cloning isn't OS X and smaller than 2 > GB is to boot an OS 9 CD and go to Utilities>Disk Copy to clone. If > you're cloning OS X or a volume greater than 2 GB you may be able to > make a custom OS 9 boot CD containing Disk Copy 6.5b13 which supports > cloning large volumes. I've cloned OS X with Disk Copy 6.5b13 before, > but it would be a last ditch option. > > Another option is to boot from the external USB port. This is a little > flakey and unsupported on the Clamshell, and also slow, but can be > done. You can boot from self-powered (meaning has it own power supply) > external optical or HDs, or from flash thumb drives. To do this be > certain the firmware is the latest version 4.17f4 and then mount the > drive (assuming your internal HD boots). If you're in OS X, reboot and > hold the "Option" key and keep your fingers crossed and hopefully the > external drive is shown as as bootable in the Option boot selection. > If not, try again, can sometimes take many tries before it shows. If > you can boot internally from OS 9.x you can simply select the external > USB drive in OS 9's Startup Disk and reboot. Startup Disk in OS X does > NOT work for booting from USB. If you can boot an external USB HD, you > can use any 3-party clone software such as Carbon Copy Cloner, > SuperDuper, etc,; or Disk Utility>Restore or Disk Copy>Clone. > > You could also clone over a network with any mounted shared volume. On > a direct computer-to-computer connection using an ethernet cable you > might be required to have a cross-over ethernet cable, I can't > remember if the Clamshell's ethernet hardware is "smart" and self- > adjusts for the cable type? In a normal shared volume, you mount it, > but if you were booted from the internal HD you could only clone to a > separate partition on that HD. Combinations of using shared ethernet & > USB simultaneously gets more complicated again, and will depend upon > what OS you're booted from, and where it's booted from. > > This is all getting very complicated. You might have an easier time > doing your cloning by removing the HD and working externally on > another Mac, and then replacing it? > > Good luck! > > > > > > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to Low End Mac's G-Books list, a group for those using G3 iBooks and PowerBooks (we run a separate list for G4 'Books). The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g-books?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
