on 02/12/16 7:22 AM, Ian Haddock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> This email list has to have the worst signal to noise level in the
> universe,   [...]

> In the G Book universe, free speech is good, as long as it agrees with
> what I believe. As soon as I hear a different opinion, I pull out the
> heavy weapons and start blasting away. This whole deal with LEM and
> religion is like walking into a strip club and complaining about the
> nudity. What? You didn't see the signs out front?!?



Sorry, but I just couldn't let an analogy that false slip by (especially
when it only adds to the signal-to-noise ratio of which Mr. Haddock was
complaining).

When people go into a strip club, a focus on nudity is exactly what they
expect, just as people entering a LEM list expect a focus on issues relating
to lower end Macs. That's what "the signs out front" are there for.

To have been relevant, Mr. Haddock's analogy should have been one in which,
upon entering this hypothetical strip club, customers are surprised, even a
bit disconcerted, by all the campaign literature for a particular political
candidate whom the owner happens to support; posters on the walls, leaflets
on the tables, etc.  While it may well be the owner's free speech right to
do this; while you can always say "Hey, if the political stuff bothers you,
just ignore it and concentrate on the strippers", or "Hey, it's a private
operation, and no-one's forcing you to come inside", or "Hey, if you want to
promote your own candidate you can always go start up your own strip club",
the issue remains as to whether a strip club is the *appropriate* venue for
exercising your political free speech -- NOT whether it's legal, NOT whether
it's right or wrong, NOT whether you happen to agree or disagree with what's
being said -- just whether it's the APPROPRIATE place to be saying it.

I suppose there are those who might argue that the owner of a strip club (or
a mailing list, or anything else) has a kind of moral duty to use that
location to espouse any issue at any time over which he/she feels strongly,
and that for the rest of us to even question its appropriateness is to
somehow try and curtail the owner's free speech. Obviously, I'm in the camp
that feels there's an appropriate time and place for everything, whether or
not I happen to agree with the position being argued.

The irony here is that I've just had to take up precious space on this list
to make a point that's not all that Mac-related. But I do it in the sincere
hope of trying to keep the list precisely that, and to clarify once and for
all that *that* is what "this whole deal with LEM and religion" was all
about.   


Thank you.

John Bertram

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