This argument has a huge flaw. Once upon a time a Mac was seriously over engineered but they are not today. A Mac largely uses components that come right off the shelf the same as PC manufacturers. The only exception would be the logic board but even there Apple is using far fewer custom chips today and utilizing off the shelf components there too. Apple's assembly quality control is probably better which accounts for Apple's lower dead on arrive rate than other manufacturers but once you've achieved burn in I don't think the argument that Apple's are higher quality holds water.

It is completely true that Macs last longer than PCs but I'd argue that it is largely OS related today and not hardware. In the 90's while hardware was getting faster and faster and Microsoft released 95, 98, and Millennium, each version of the OS required faster computers, more memory, higher powered graphics cards, bigger hard drives. I upgraded my Win3 machine to Win95 but two weeks later reinstalled Win3 and bought a new computer with Win95. I didn't upgrade to Win98, I knew better. I bought a new computer. That computer wasn't too old when Win2k came out so I upgraded and lived with it for a few months before buying a new computer. I didn't upgrade to WinXP and I won't upgrade - in face based on the specs I CANNOT upgrade to WinVista.

But when I bought a new PowerMac 7200 which came with MacOS 7.x every time I upgraded to the new version of the MacOS I got a faster computer! Sure, when I upgraded to OS 9 I needed more memory and by that time I had a much larger hard drive but the fact remains that from MacOS 7 through MacOS 9 while memory requirements increased the upgrade didn't create a speed hit - it gave a speed increase. Now the shift to OS X required that I buy a new computer but from OS 10.1 through 10.3 I got a faster computer and if 10.4 didn't give me greater speed it didn't slow it down either.

And that is why I think Macs are lasting longer than PCs.

David - who not only posses every Mac he's ever bought (except for the PowerBook that tried urban surfing) but also still has all but one Windows PC he's ever bought. (It's just that the older PCs are now running linux, not windows)

At 01:31 PM -0600 08/17/2005, Mike K wrote:



I disagree again, peecees are thrown away because they die at an
alarming rate and the parts of the most common computers are the
cheapest low-bid parts they can find. It has nothing to do with
technology.
Macs don't die, except for CRT iMacs of course....... Macs do become
outdated but not obsolete. Peecees don't last long enough to become
outdated like Macs do.


...yer kidding right? There is a massive dose of sarcasm in there?


Actually, it matches my experience.

With only a few major exceptions
  early CRT iMacs - flyback problems and fried modems.
  early LCD iMacs - floppy gooseneck and suddenly dead pixels.

Mac hardware is MUCH more durable than PC hardware. Between my workshop here and a friend's depot (a Mac and PC repair store), we've got a lot of working Macs. Quite dirty etc, but working. Then we've got dozens of dead PCs. Fried this or that, etc.

This matches my home / personal experience too. Every Mac I've ever owned, since the 80s (Plus, II, IIci, 7100/66, 7300/120, B&W, PB 180, PB G3, PB G4, etc) are ALL still working. In the last five years alone, my housemate has killed three desktop PCs and a laptop. His 4th desktop just went to the shop yesterday for repair. His "new" (1yro) laptop has already required repair.

Don't get me wrong... I think overall software-enforced obsolescence kills off more computers than hardware failures. But it still amazes me at how fragile PC hardware is... and how willing the lemmings are to buy it.

- Dan.

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