: -----Original Message-----
: From: John Wisor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
: Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 11:51 AM
: To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: Subject: no start up bong
: 
: I made the recent post earlier this week regarding multiple
: failed attempts to install 10.2 on a beige G3 that ended in 
: a complete failure to startup  any OS via a wide variety of 
: startup disks.  I utilized the list suggestions ofresetting 
: the cuda switch and removing the prambattery, etc.   They 
: were moderately successful in that the install disks for
: OS 9 work and I have run and installed OS 9.    Greedily I
: then attempted a 9.1 update. It installed but froze while
: restarting.    I then pulled and reseated  the RAM cards,
: the ROM Dimm, the PRAM battery  and pushed the cuda switch
: again.  OS 9.1 booted up successfully and uneventfully for
: one startup only.  Now OS 9.1 on the hard drive freezes
: early on with extensions on or off.

Extensions being off may be an issue with this, but by any chance do you
have SCSI devices that you cannot access when you do get things up.  I had a
similar problem, but my SCSI devices started causing the problem.  I would
start and everything would be fine, until I attempt to access anything on
the SCSI chain.  Then it would freeze.  It would freeze on startup noteably
when loading any drivers or running checks on the SCSI devices.

: I am confident that eventually i can get this G3 back to
: its original pre os 10.2 install state.
: 2 Questions, however:
: 1) The start up bong does not sound any more..and did not
: sound during that lastest OS 9.1 successful startup. Is
: this some symptom?
: 2) The only other difference between when OS 9.1 was
: running fine this summer and when it is having issues post
: 10.2 is that I repartioned and reformatted the drives to be
: HFS+ instead of the standard Mac format as I attempted to
: install 10.2 and later as I reformated again after the 10.2
: install failure.  Could this be a factor in the OS 9.1
: problems?
: 
: thanks John

The bong thing is interesting, too.  I don't recall the bong on or off with
my problems.

David

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