on 8/9/03 4:52 PM, G-List at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 12:00:44 -0400 (EDT) > From: gfen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Biege woes: Zapping pram, IDE connectors.. nop slaves? > > Err, no slaves. > > Well, awhile ago my then-working beige G3 (with OWC g4/500 upgrade) was > working fine.. until the drive decided to freeze on me. > > Hey, that's life.. I was going to re-do it anyway, just needed t find some > time, pull out the 2940U2W and LVD drive, pull out the HP CDRW, and just > use a pair of IDE drives and the IDE CDRW I bought (a Cendyne, based on > this list, only to find out that it may not be teh right Cendyne, but, > we'll cross that bridge). > > Now, I get everything together, pull all the old drives out, put in an old > 9gb IDE and a 60gb IDE on one chain, the aforementioned Cendyne on the > other.. and then I realize: > > I have no idea which connector on the motherboard is IDE-1. There's a CSI > connector, an IDE, another IDE< then a power.. is IDE-1 closer to the SCSI > or power connector? > > So, I've been fiddlign witht hat, and I was being hit with one of two > messages, depending on what sort of config I had, either the CAN'T OPEN: > message or NO BOOTABLE HFS PARTITION (this was the original error with > Cendyne CDRW). Figuring I needed to clear the pram, I attempted to do the > command-alt-p-r keyset. Now, when I do the pram finger dance, I have > never, not ONCE gotten it to chime another time. I almost don't think I'm > doing it right, or something. it never, ever chimes. Ever. I tried to do > this on an old SE/30 sitting in a closet, and it too never chimes: > > Am I retarded? :) No, seriously.. what am I doing wrong when it comes to > this? I must be doing it in the correct time frame, because I can restart > with command-alt-o-f and get the open firmware prompt. When I attempt to > do the same thing with PR, it just sits there, boots to a plain white > screen and sits there. I've tried pulling the pram battery for about 30 > seconds, I've tried the cuda switch, I've tried "set-defaults" and then > "reset-all" at the firmware's OK> prompt, and I've sat tehre repeatedly > tried to clear the pram.. Nothin. As I said, I've done SOMETHING because > now I no longer get the other error messages, I just get a plain, white > screen. > > Where have I failed, and how can I make my stupid mac boot again? This is > really, really annoying. I assume its not memory or CPU because it > wouldn't chime at me before sitting there at teh white screen. Anyone have > any suggestions at all? > > Also, the first revision beige G3 macs don't support slave drives? Someone > said that if I have the Rage II+DVD graphic chip, I've got a first > revision G3. Can someone confirm this, and then tell me how no one at > Apple noticed that it couldn't support slave drives before they shipped > it? > > Bah. > > -g.
Hi all; As the old saying goes,time to fall back and regroup. First of all, the RageII+DVD graphic chip is a 1st Rev.G3 MOBO, it won't support slave drives with the Rev.1 ROM chip. My G3MT has a Rev.1 MOBO with a Rev.3 Rom chip so I have slave support. From your message, I see you have 2 drives on one bus. That won't work. To get slave support on a 1st REV. G3 you need a PCI ATA controller card or a Rev. 2 or 3 Rom chip. As to which IDE bus is which; IIRC, with the back of the MOBO facing "away" from you, there are 2 IDE connectors, a SCSI connector and the Logic Board power connector all grouped together in the back right corner. The IDE connectors are numbered,(I don't remember the exact numbers) but they start with a "J". The numbers are in numerical order and the smaller number "MUST" be used if you are using only 1 IDE device in the Mac as it is bus "0" (not the letter o) usually reserved for the boot drive. The other IDE connector is bus 1, for the CD drive. The Beige's with the optional Zip drive have a SCSI Zip, as does my Beige MT, due to lack of support for slave drives. Now, what I would do is pull everything out again and put a known good drive with a bootable system on IDE bus 0(smaller IDE connector number), leave everything else out and try to reboot. If it works, proceed to reinstall everything else. All that said, if you want more than 1 IDE device on either bus you will have to a Rev. 2 or 3 Rom chip or an ATA controller card. I'm sure our resident G3 expert, Mr. PeterH will will expand further on this if asked nicely. ;=) -- Rev. George -- Maranatha (means the Lord cometh) -- G-List is sponsored by <http://lowendmac.com/> and... Small Dog Electronics http://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- We have Apple Refurbished Monitors in stock! | & CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac <http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html> G-List list info: <http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml> --> AOL users, remove "mailto:"; Send list messages to: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To unsubscribe, email: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For digest mode, email: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subscription questions: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Archive: <http://www.mail-archive.com/g-list%40mail.maclaunch.com/> Using a Mac? Free email & more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
