Ahh Yess... SCSI I, SCSI II, SCSI III, SE, DF, Wide, Narrow, Fast, Ultra,
LVD/SE, HVD, Ultra160 and Ultra320...

I know I am forgetting a couple of others.

For a living I support external storage, all I can say is THANK GOODNESS FOR
FIBRE CHANNEL!

A little trick that support showed me when dealing with LVD/SE external
devices is;

Use a SE Terminator on a LVD/SE device to force the bus to SE. And always
use the proper active terminator.

I prefer to use an external Terminator then internal terminators with
jumpers. One issue that I have run into a lot lately is people re-using SCSI
cables. Customers do not like to fork out money for new scsi cables when
they purchase new gear. The issue is; the old cable was designed to run SE
SCSI at 10 to 20 MB per sec. New SCSI devices running LVD/SE or HVD can run
at 40, 80, 160 or 320 MB per sec and the old cables can't handle the
throughput and cause all kinds of intermittent problems. Just because the
connectors fit does not mean you have the right cable.




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At 07:28 PM -0400 10/11/2004, MikeRF/A2 wrote:
>Can someone here verify this:
>
>"The terms active and passive were used for SCSI through SCSI III UW. 
>When LVD/SE and LVD devices entered the market, termination had to be 
>re-invented, as neither active nor passive would work for all 
>applications. If you place an LVD/SE drive on a SCSI III UW chain, an 
>older SCSI III active terminator may work, but has just as much chance 
>of not working."

Yup.

>Seagate tells me I need "active negation" termination on my LVD/SE
>SCSI  Cheetah drive. The drive itself provides no means for 
>termination.

Odd.  All drives that I've used have some form of termination 
available onboard, be it enabled by jumpers or with a flat-pack.  If 
the drive is SCA, then the SCA Adapter will have termination pins.

What's the exact model?
What are you plugging it into?

>Every time I turn around someone redefines the SCSI terminology I
>thought I had figured out, making me crazy.

No, it's not changed in years.  But perhaps you're using newer 
technologies now and running in to these issues.

>Every terminator specifically stating it provides "active negation"
>(not many) costs as much as I paid for the drive.

ug.  Check CyberGuys.

- Dan.

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