On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 1:51 PM, paul beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 10:27 AM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 1:15 PM, Bruce Johnson
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 29, 2008, at 10:11 AM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote:
>>>
>>>> Well let's say they keep the tight 8ssed act. Where willthey be in 5
>>>> years? You have to admit that both MS and Apple must  acknowledge the
>>>> rapid recent movement in the market by Linux.
>>>
>>>
>>> No they don't...because there is none.
>>
>>
>> ??
>>
>> Sales figures for these are well beyond what the nay sayers have
>> predicted.  And look at the server market as well.
>
> I don't think there is a lot of reliable "sales" info for the various
> free OSes, for the simple reason there are very few sales: they are
> free, no?

Only the enticements to further products and services are free. There
is no free Linux lunch in the endgame.

>And while there are big shops who use them exclusively
> (Yahoo comes to mind), I'm not convinced a lot of end-users are on
> that bandwagon yet.

Some large print houses, movie studios and video production houses are
rapidly moving to Linux solutions. the application list has grown and
the relative ease of custom applications is also a draw.

>How many Linux distros are there and how does Joe
> Average User determine which is the one to use?

Too many and that is part of the threat. It is spreading virally. By
the time it gets to where the nay sayers notice it, it will be too
late. Apple might be gone. At least as an OS  publisher. As long ans
Intel Macs run windows there will be hardware production. Is that what
you and others want? A Mac that comes with Windows 7 ( for example)
installed. Who's the clone now? Or Should Isay more accurately. Macs
are PC clones now. but that would be too much truth for the
entrenched.

>No, I think OS X has a
> lot of room to expand yet, there's no threat from the Linux/*BSD
> crowd.

???  You should say that to one of them!  They are a community based
"religion". Evangelists for the cause to a man/ woman. True believers
on a mission. A hidden swarm.

 >As long as consistency and reliability are important,
> shrinkwrapped products, even if they are only licensed, are going to
> be around awhile yet. I've used Linux and FreeBSD (that latter being
> superior) and if your chief source of satisfaction is that after many
> many hours, you succeeded in replicating a feature that OS X users
> already have, you're not really Apple's market.

Among the score of "distros" there are said to be some far easier to
install and configure.
Stability has always been a main feature of Linux. Shrinkwrapped Linux
is on shelves all over the country and may even be at Walmart now.
>
> Bruce has already spelled it out pretty clearly. It's quite simple.
> Don't want to pay for Apple-branded goods? Then don't.

Elitists will always shove the noses of the lower economic classes in
to this limitation.

Obviously an elitist would not subscribe to such a tawdry email list
as any that  would be labelled LOW END MACs. It would be beneath them.
As they would fear being associated with those of the lower economic
classes.  Association with the unwashed masses of users of older Macs
would just amount to too much indignity. In fact when I get My Mac Pro
or next generation Mac I will leave this list of end "losers" who need
to worry about such mundane factors as money. I will be a real mover
and shaker then by God.

Anyone using these lists is just too cheap to hang out with, for those
who can buy the best.

Had you followede these threads for the many months they have existed
you might realize the good reasons we want either affordable
upgradeable, expandable Mac hardware. OR the Right to use an Apple OS
on whatever our platform choice is. (note I did not say anything about
config)
.
To deny consumers who are paying money is just .  .  . well, unAmerican!

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