On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 3:00 PM, paul beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 11:49 AM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Simon Royal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Bruce. Well said. Apple are not Microsoft, they do not just sell OSes. I 
>>> bet the majority of copies of OSX came with Macs.
>
>
> Starting to feel like we're feeding a troll here . .

Respectfully Paul,

Trolls are insulting people who insist there view is right. They call
people names and rant without reasoning. Do I fit that description? Or
am I just another perosn with the right to participate in a debate
among equals? If you were characterizing anyone here as a troll that
would be an Ad Hominem argument. Rather than a logical participation
in this discussion of the pros and cons and the underlying thought of
this issue.

>>
>> Respectfully Simon,
>>
>> As if anyone was brave enough to venture an Apple OS to the greater
>> user market. That is the test of the worht of the product.
>> Publisher/manufacturer claims  as we all know are one thing. the user
>> experince and word of mouth is the real test of a products worth. Some
>> here think the Mac OS is great. We believe it can stand this test.
>> What is wrong with that?
>
> Tell me, did you use OpenDarwin? Why not?

Not knowing it existed would be a good reason.
>
>>>  Apples market is continuing to rise and OSX has propelled this in the past 
>>> few years to 8% market share.
>>
>> Tell the stock holders that is enough.  ( I think the figure is
>> actually higher isn't it?) That you do not think they need any more.
>> No need to risk the open OS market. Their product is not good enough
>> to compete.
>
> No one here is saying it's enough: what some of us are saying is that
> we disagree with your ideas to increase market share.

Fair enough.  Perhaps you would like to tell Apple your ideas and let
them decide which they like. But the market itself is the decision
maker in any case.
>>>
>>> Mac hardware + Mac OS = Hassle free computing. If I wanted to spent half my 
>>> time updating drivers and resolving conflicts I would buy a PC.
>>
>> We have already addressed this extensively. It is not as problematic
>> as some would have you believe. Have a little faith Simon we are
>> talking about an Apple product here, after all. We want more Apple OS
>> users not less.
>>
>
> Why do you think your experience trumps Simon's or mine or anyone's?

As I have continually said for months Mine is but an opinion. I do not
deny anyone their opinion. the purpose of expressing opinions is to
learn and persuade. Is it alright with you if I do both? I suppose
freedom of speech in a group of equals is rare in this day . So many
discussions descend into one side shouting down the other. As the OP
here the thread discussion here began with my starting premise.
Others have joined in the spirit of  free expression.

And at their own volition. and continue to participate in exploring
different views of the issue. this is what
competent adults do. An exchange of ideas. No one is forced to read or
join the debate or believe anyone else's viewpoint.

Great things come from free expression.

Adrian D'Alessio

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