At 9:46 AM -0400 10/4/08, insightinmind wrote:
>On Oct 4, 2008, at 12:30 AM, Bill Christensen wrote:
>
>>
>>  Update:
>>
>>  The power supply itself checks out.  Voltage is good for all pins,
>>  including the blackend ones.
>>
>>  I'll check various other components separately on another machine
>>  (processor, RAM, cards), but assuming those are working does anyone
>>  here know how to diagnose a mobo?
>>
>>
>>  original msg
>>  ----------
>>
>>  Hi all,
>>
>>  Looks like I have a problem with one of my 'teeth.
>>
>>  It wasn't powering up properly - would start to come on then die
>>  before any drives came up - and in the process of looking for the
>>  problem (suspected power supply) I found that three pins on the P1
>>  power connector are blackened. All are +5 volt (pins 6, 19, and 20)
>>  according to
>>  <http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/systems/ATX_G4_AGP_conversion/
>>  G4_AGP_to_ATX_case_pg2.htm>.
>>
>>  Which is the more likely culprit, the power supply or the
>>  motherboard?  I don't want to risk blowing my spare power supply, or
>>  the dual 1gig processor on the board for that matter, by cooking
>>  something further.  I see no other obvious signs of trouble.  No
>>  charred parts or places where smoke has escaped.
>>
>>  Obviously I need to dig around and find my meter (I think I hid it
>>  from my 7 year old last time I put it away and now don't remember
>>  where) to see if the existing ps is still functional.  And i'll
>>  probably swap the processor for an old 450 single and put the 1gig in
>>  a different sawtooth to test it.  Any other suggestions on how to
>>  proceed?
>>
>>  Thanks.
>>  --
>>  Bill Christensen
>>  <http://greenbuilder.com/contact/>
>
>No advice on the mobo itself. (Far from being an expert). Did you 
>have a power fluctuation or nearby lightening strike recently?

All our machines are on a big honking UPS.  And their ethernet 
connections are surge protected as well.

>
>This is what I would try:
>
>I would probably remove all PCI cards ... Sawtooth has an AGP card? 
>Leave that in or move in a "fresh" known working one. Have a bare 
>minimum amount of RAM ... maybe trying different slots. A bare
>minimum hardware setup.

That's the plan.

>
>Reseat the HD cables and power plugs. And reseat other drives (DVD or
>CDRW drive, Zip, etc).

Good point.  Hadn't done that for everything yet.

>
>Make sure the PRAM battery tests good and is inserted correctly.

Done

>
>Have a known good KB and Mouse attached.

Right.

>
>Do protect and test the GHz cpu.

I've got to free up a machine to do that on, will probably do that 
this weekend.

>
>Find the answer to: Can a mobo damage a psu?
>
>Blow out all the dust in the unit as well as in the psu. Recommend 
>taking it outside ... it can build up in there!

I keep 'em pretty clean.  This one could use a light dusting though.

>
>I found this site for Apple psu-s (although I haven't purchased any, 
>yet):
>http://www.dvwarehouse.com/Apple-Power-Supply-c-253_247.html?
>gclid=CIrvnOGOgpYCFQNfFQodwCYEEA
>

I actually just purchased a spare last week from LEM Swap, so that's covered.
-- 
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