I'd like the thank the originator of this tip.

I had a few drives reporting bad spots (in the full SMART report which
you get only when you download the source and build it; and also when
I tried to secure erase I got write errors *sometimes* w/ hangs, noted
in apple console logs)


Yes, erasing at the drive level rather than the partition level, with
secure erase, eliminated the errors.

Of some concern to me of course if more bad spots turn up. Had one
drive turn up no more for four years (formatted free space around the
spot) and another got another in 6 months, or anyway the files ran
into it -- all this before I even knew about secure erase at all...


On Mar 20, 4:12 pm, Charles Davis <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Mar 20, 2009, at 11:57 AM, Dan wrote:
>
>
>
> > At 9:38 AM -0400 3/20/2009, insightinmind wrote:
>
> snip
>
> > SMART is a *monitoring* mechanism, to alert (someone) when things
> > start to go south.  It has nothing to do with actual corrective
> > measures, such as bad block replacements -- which are handled by the
> > hardware controllers these days.
>
> >> I always thought (Re)Formatting a drive, zeroing out data, did the
> >> bad sector mapping out, but only during the formatting process.
>
> > That's re-initializing a drive.  You cannot reformat modern drives.

well some you can if you have a machine that can boot 8.5.1, that was
the last you were allowed by apple (actually that version of drive
setup works in 8.1 too). I only did this once, and IIRC it only helped
for a limited time.

>
> > The process of zeroing it -- writing zeros to each sector on the
> > drive causes the hardware's bad block replacement mechanism to
> > trigger as needed.
>
> What isn't being said here, is whether the 'bad block' mechanism is  
> operational when zeroing at the partition level, or only when the  
> complete hard disk is being 'zeroed'.
>

The latter is my experience.

> Chuck D.
>
> > - Dan.
> > --
> > - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth
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