On Jun 15, 2009, at 3:32 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote:

> On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 5:52 PM, Jim Scott<[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> The "moderator" is a LEM list nanny and should know better than to
>> start an off-topic discussion on this list instead of the LEM List,
>> except that his desire to have things his way apparently is more
>> important than list rules, or protocol, or a previous decision by the
>> List Mom. If I were the List Mom, I'd either banish him or at least
>> moderate his posts for this infraction if not for his insurrection.
>>

> Talking about list rules and policies is not off topic.

Well, yes and no. LEM netiquette permits talking about list rules and  
policies in posts to the list. So, you are right. However, this list's  
FAQ also says discussions like this should be taken to LEMlists: "Be  
sure to read our guide to netiquette before posting to the list. If  
you wish to discuss the list rules, please join LEMlists, our 'meta- 
list' for discussing the lists and their rules." So it looks as if the  
List Mom and his Nannies have yet another conflict/issue to reconcile.

> Perhaps you would like to spend the time Kyle and other Nannies have
> to keep the lists civilized. It is a rather thankless job.

No, thank you. I was responsible for letters to the editor columns on  
a number of regional, national and international publications for 40  
years and have no need to continue trying to roll rocks back up the  
mountain ... or to prove to myself yet again that cats (and their ilk)  
cannot be herded. Ever. To paraphrase, "Oh what a tangled web we weave  
when first we practice to control."

But to stay on topic in this thread, please note how I've bottom- 
posted, even interleaved in this instance, as well as trimmed excess  
line spaces and text. Members of this list who truly are interested in  
following topics will follow the commonsense process for doing so.  
This means reading left to right, top to bottom, which is how it's  
done everywhere else in the English-speaking world of communications  
where ideas are published for public consumption -- books, magazines,  
online web sites, newspapers, labels on packages, etc.

In private communications where two or no more than a few parties are  
sharing ideas or discussing a subject, such as buying/selling an item  
or agreeing to meet at a certain place/time, etc., untrimmed top  
posting works very well because it is easier and quicker and acts much  
like a face to face (or telephonic) conversation. The last post then  
serves as a complete and valuable record of the transaction/discussion/ 
whatever.

Top posting has its place, just as does bottom posting (or variants  
such as interleaved posting). I generally bottom post when putting my  
thoughts into words on this online list and others simply because it's  
the best way to convey and understand thoughts, ideas and concepts in  
written English. I generally top post in private conversations when I  
don't have to be concerned about people who haven't been privy to the  
conversations from the beginning.

-- Jim




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