I've just read this entire thread. Thanks to everyone for sharing
their experiences and insights on PayPal and credit card companies.

To answer a few questions:

Yes, this thread is on topic - not because I wrote the article and
published it on LEM, but because PayPal is part of the Internet
experience for many of us these days. No, it's not specific to G3/4/5
Macs, but it is an issue of importance to G3/4/5 users.

> The PRAM batteries...  What?  You didn't use LEM Swap?!   humph.

LOL. LEM Swap is *not* a dealer list; it's a place for individuals to
sell their older Macs and related gear. I have a lot of Macs with dead
PRAM batteries, and every few years I buy a big batch (10-15) of fresh
ones from OWC or someone else. This time around Amazon.com had the
best deal.

> Paypal, btw, did not remove the funds from your account.  That first 
> transaction, that expired, was simply a "hold".  That's how credit 
> transactions work.

I don't leave a lot of money in my PayPal account. Whatever they call
it, they made it impossible for me to access over 90% of the funds in
my account when they did this. You'd think someone as big as eBay/
PayPal would have a system in place to automatically search for
duplicates.

> Is this supposed to be on-list?  I thought these lists were moderated!

>From the list FAQ: "What topics may be discussed?

"Anything relating to Power Mac G3s and G4s. G-Group is mostly an
unmoderated closed group. Unmoderated means messages are sent to the
group without prior knowledge of the group owner or managers; closed
means only members may post. The group is closed to help fight spam,
and first postings from new members must be reviewed and approved by a
group manager before they are sent to the group, a step made necessary
by spammers.

"Group managers are authorized to remove the following types of
messages from the group archive: spam, test messages, and unsubscribe
postings. Content of each message is the responsibility of the person
posting it."

All new group members are automatically set to moderated status. This
is the only way to keep spammers out, which I'm sure all of you will
admit we've done quite well. You have no idea how much spam we used to
block before de-listing our groups from Google's public index. Since
then, it's diminished greatly, but it's still necessary to moderate
new members until we can verify that they are not spambots.

After that, the group is pretty much unmoderated. If we find someone
trolling, cheating members, posting in ALL CAPS, quoting excessively,
using a blatantly offensive signature, etc., we will set them to
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far, we put a permanent ban on them.

With few exceptions, the list managers (a.k.a. nannies) do not see
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resources, or patience to do that. We only moderate new members and
those who have violated list rules or netiquette.

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