On 23 Dec 2011, at 20:01, Len Gerstel wrote:

On Dec 23, 2011, at 2:42 PM, Dan wrote:

> At 11:34 AM -0700 12/23/2011, Bruce Johnson wrote:
>> No Apple hasn't outsourced their customer support to some unknown domain.
> 
> LOL
> 
> The geniuses at Chase Bank have hired a company to handle their email, that 
> has in turn hired an "ex-spammer" to do the actual SMTP work.  So now all the 
> phishes AND legit emails from Chase are being flagged by ClamXav!  Over the 
> past week, we've received phishies for Chase that look, from the headers, 
> legit, as they came out of the same SMTP servers!  The HTML is near perfect.  
> The only way you can tell they're phishies is that the urls are dotted ips 
> instead of chase.com.
> 
> - Dan.
> -- 
> - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth.

They are not the only bank that does that kind of stuff. I received a 
legitimate email from my bank (M&T) that, doing the hover, showed that the link 
in it went to some third party tracking kind of site, but the shown address was 
MTB.com. I called to confirm that it was real. Then gave them Holy H*ll about 
the idiocy of preaching about online security and phishing education, then 
doing something like that.

Len

Why the surprise when banks do something reeaallyy stupid? Most bank executives 
have the IT awareness of a turnip. Usually they will use temps/outsource their 
IT functions, treat temps appallingly and then wash their hands of it if a 
less-than-savvy customer gets ripped off. At least that's true here in the UK:- 
I accept YMMV in the US of A.

Any email from my bank asking me to go anywhere/do anything on the interwebs 
has firstly, all its headers shown then gets forwarded to the bank's 
ant-phishing email address. But I know that many aren't as careful/suspicious.

It's good practice to view any link through the yellow box, then google any 
unexpected or similar-to-expected name shown, or "who-is" any IP address.

Yes, it's a faff, but better than compromising my meagre pittances…

Ted

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