Not working on the pbs.org History Detectives website. Haven't had a chance to test others.

System info:

Model Name:     Power Mac G4
  Model Identifier:     PowerMac3,6
  Processor Name:       PowerPC G4  (3.3)
  Processor Speed:      1.25 GHz
  Number Of CPUs:       2
  L2 Cache (per CPU):   256 KB
  L3 Cache (per CPU):   2 MB
  Memory:       2 GB
  Bus Speed:    167 MHz
  Boot ROM Version:     4.4.8f2
  Serial Number (system):       XB40905UQ6P
  Hardware UUID:        00000000-0000-1000-8000-000A95CFC548

OS X 10.5.8

Safari 5.0.6

Michael McMurtrey
Carrollton, TX

On Jan 30, 2013, at 6:10 AM, [email protected] wrote:

  Today's Topic Summary
Group: http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list/topics

Flash Player hack update 11.5 [1 Update]
Prepping a G4/10.5.8 for sale [3 Updates]
US Java alert? [7 Updates]
G5 Damaged in Shipping [2 Updates]
OT redirected to l. yimg.com on Mac G4 [1 Update]
 Flash Player hack update 11.5
Paolo Tassotti <[email protected]> Jan 30 09:28AM +0100

hi folks,

this hack for flash player on PPC machines has just been updated up to
version 11.5:

http://scriptogr.am/nordkril/post/adobe-flash-11.5-for-powerpc

enjoy !

paolo

 Prepping a G4/10.5.8 for sale
kimtoufectis <[email protected]> Jan 29 08:44PM -0800

Much obliged, thanks!

On Monday, January 28, 2013 2:36:02 PM UTC-5, PH wrote:

kimtoufectis <[email protected]> Jan 29 08:45PM -0800

Good tips; thanks!

On Monday, January 28, 2013 2:51:01 PM UTC-5, DaleH wrote:

kimtoufectis <[email protected]> Jan 29 08:47PM -0800

Each of you filled in a part of the puzzle for me. Thanks much!

On Monday, January 28, 2013 3:04:04 PM UTC-5, [email protected]
wrote:

 US Java alert?
Dan <[email protected]> Jan 29 03:53PM -0500

At 3:12 PM -0500 01/12/2013, Dan wrote:
>>Anyone knows more about this Java alert issued
>>by US Gov (alert that include Flash as well)!

>SSDD. Yet-another zero day vulnerability, yadda yadda yadda *yawn*

And today's chapter:

http://mac-security.blogspot.com/2013/01/just-turn-java-off-very-high-security.html

LOL

- Dan.
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Bruce Johnson <[email protected]> Jan 29 03:00PM -0700


>> SSDD. Yet-another zero day vulnerability, yadda yadda yadda *yawn*

> And today's chapter:

> 
http://mac-security.blogspot.com/2013/01/just-turn-java-off-very-high-security.html


Here's the thing: anyone who can run a vulnerable version of Java on their Mac and has installed Apple's security updates has already done this. <http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1572> <http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1573 > The last Java update Apple released went through and purged Java from the browser plugins. (As I found out, unpleasantly, when I tried to use a network-based KVM we purchased. Yet another 'Universal' devioce that is truly universal, it runs under Windows on Dells, on HP's, on Lenovo's…)

(Apple's relesed these updates for 10.6, 7 and 8. 10.5 and lower is officially deprecated, and doesn't run the latest versions of Java. PPC machines CAN'T run the latest versions of java. I'm mildly surprised that they released the fix for 10.6.)

Anyone else either deliberately went out of their way to re-enable Java or is not running a version that's vulnerable.

Almost all of these new security issues with Java are the result of Oracles new code in the latest version.

(and the appeal to 'Open Source' java just won't happen. As I've said before the entire impetus for Oracle to buy Sun was to acquire Java, which is Oracle's lifeblood, since so much of their database stuff is now written in Java.)

Everything else (like hardware, VirtualBox, etc) was gravy for them, and Oracle is no more going to open source Java than they would Oracle Enterprise Database.

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College of Pharmacy
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"W.Adrian D'Alessio" <[email protected]> Jan 29 05:16PM -0500

Sooner or later you will run into an online form that is important to you
which will require Java be turned on.
That's a fact.

On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Bruce Johnson <[email protected]

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Cameron Kaiser <[email protected]> Jan 29 03:08PM -0800

> > 
http://mac-security.blogspot.com/2013/01/just-turn-java-off-very-high-security.html

> Sooner or later you will run into an online form that is important to you
> which will require Java be turned on.

ITYM Java*Script*, which has very little to do actually with Java, and
assuming you are using one of the still-maintained PowerPC browsers is
much more up-to-date.

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"W.Adrian D'Alessio" <[email protected]> Jan 29 08:14PM -0500

The DoD is telling people to turn off the Java plug in. While governments websites have forms that depend on it to be active.CNet says Oracle may not
have a total fix for years.
Turn off the Java Plug in and experiment. You tell me if it is a Java
script or Java or any other distinction you want to make.
I turned off the Java Plug in weeks ago and found online transactions I
could not do. And this is after installation of a Java script blocker
months before that which allowed the same forms to be active.



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Cameron Kaiser <[email protected]> Jan 29 05:16PM -0800

> I turned off the Java Plug in weeks ago and found online transactions I > could not do. And this is after installation of a Java script blocker
> months before that which allowed the same forms to be active.

TenFourFox has had Java disabled specifically in the browser since version 6, and I haven't found any form I cannot complete with my bank or billpay sites.
If you have some specific URLs, I'd be interested.

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Dan <[email protected]> Jan 29 10:36PM -0500

At 8:14 PM -0500 01/29/2013, W.Adrian D'Alessio wrote:
>turned off the Java Plug in weeks ago and found online transactions
>I could not do. And this is after installation of a Java script
>blocker months before that which allowed the same forms to be active.

Please give us a specific example of such a page.

- Dan.
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 G5 Damaged in Shipping
glen <[email protected]> Jan 29 03:27PM -0800

>G5 dual 2.5Mhz, June 2004, Radeon 9800 XT video. Model #A1047 EMC# 1969. M9457LL/A, liquid cooling.

>Photo's
>http://www.flickr.com/photos/glenstrek/sets/72157632624630081/

Thanks for the replies, my response will follow but first the latest.

Monday: the damaged G5 ran for 3-4 hours with no apparent problems BUT when booting I would hear the fans start to rev up and a short pause rev down (< 1 sec) the a continued rev up and a successful boot.

Left it sit overnight without power and the side cover off, exposed side down on workbench with tissue paper under the LCS to check for leaks. No drips or wet areas on tissue paper the next morning. Rebooted and checked back in an hour or so to find a panic screen. Now it no longer boots. No start up chime, the fans start to rev and then rev down (< 1 sec) and stay down, blank screen.

Not good! power supply issue? Damaged CPU's? Any thoughts?

I'll try to summarize my reply's to posts I can remember, both on and off list.


First, I still can't remove the LCS cover as suggested. There was a plastic stud or rivet holding the cover in place. I shaved the top off with a knife but still I could not remove the cover.

As far the damage as a result of shipping I tend to agree it may not be the source. There is little damage to the shipping box. A slight crush on one corner and a small cut on one side that did not penetrate to the inside. OTOH, the G5 was not double boxed and some random pieces of styrofoam used to to keep the 44 lb contents in place were broken.


Regarding the idea of transporting the internals to another case, I agree that I will not trust the seller to ship the proper G5 case for this model in good condition. And as I suspected from two posters the process could be long and tedious. Perhaps a great retirement project but I still have at least a year to go and need the G5 now as I enter a greatly needed busy day job schedule.

Probably won't get much trouble shooting time until weekend --looks like junk, thanks everyone --glen

James R Knight <[email protected]> Jan 29 10:29PM -0500

It sounds like you are drawing the same conclusion I am at this point. If it worked that would be one thing, but it doesn't. You paid for a working
computer. Not another project, however fun. Send it back.

-Doc Jimbo



 OT redirected to l. yimg.com on Mac G4
"Jörg Duurkoop" <[email protected]> Jan 29 04:10AM -0800

Hi,

Yahoo is useless on a G4 with Tiger. Lately all the links in my e- mails
didn't work and longer mails were shortened. I switched to Gmail and
everyting is more snappy and actually WORKS. Fuggetaboud Yahoo. I think it
was sold and the buyers let it die a slow death ...

Best regards, Jörg.


Op woensdag 23 januari 2013 13:19:57 UTC+7 schreef Jonas Lopez het volgende:

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