I am responding to galaxy-dev because others may have better answers than me.

On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 9:38 PM, Alistair Chilcott
<alistair.chilc...@utas.edu.au> wrote:
> John,
>
> Thanks for the advice, a dose of realism is always useful.  :D
>
> I suspect that our current installation is fiddly primarily because it has 
> been built on top of a Linux distro that was not installed initially just for 
> Galaxy.
> It is running SUSE which varies enough in its behaviour from UBUNTU or 
> BioLinux to make the job of interpreting/implementing the various 
> instructions for "how to setup/maintain" much more difficult.
>
> As I suspected a full blown private cloud is optimistic at best, the question 
> still needed to be asked. I still need to come up with a solution of some 
> kind for the researchers.
>
> If I could pick your brain for a few minutes .....
> In your experience:
> What is the best (easiest to setup and maintain) way to deploy a galaxy 
> instance (including tools the NGS suite in particular) onto a local VM or 
> physical host?

The easiest way to setup everything is probably BioLinux (which you
mention below). I am not sure if it results in the easiest maintenance
however.

There is not a turn key solution yet and with things like data
managers and the tool shed the Galaxy team is constantly trying to
make these things more automated. When I was working on the Galaxy-P
project I put together getgalaxyp.org/install.html which is a fairly
automated way to configure Galaxy-P environment on Ubuntu and CentOS -
dozens of  OS packages, custom tools, etc... It was built on
CloudBIoLinux. This is a superset of Galaxy, so it could (and should)
be trimmed back for a genomics focused setup. This install wouldn't
include the data, nginx server, or Galaxy itself but all of this could
be added to the procedure - the recipes are available in CloudBioLinux
becuase CloudMan uses them. I just need to find a free day sometime to
put all the pieces together and document them.

> What Linux distribution (and version) is most compatible with galaxy?

My recommended stack would be Ubuntu / postgres / nginx. CloudMan runs
this stack and so you can always pop a cloud image and see what a
working configuration looks like, also the community will likely have
the most answers for the configuration as well. Also, even if you
don't use the automated configuration scripts in CloudBioLinux - you
can always look at them to see what to do as well.

There is also this: http://bioteam.net/slipstream/galaxy-edition/.

Hope this helps,
-John

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> Regards,
>
> Alistair
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: jmchil...@gmail.com [mailto:jmchil...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of John 
> Chilton
> Sent: Thursday, 14 November 2013 5:10 AM
> To: Alistair Chilcott
> Cc: Galaxy Dev
> Subject: Re: [galaxy-dev] Galaxy environment on local resources
>
> On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 1:41 AM, Alistair Chilcott 
> <alistair.chilc...@utas.edu.au> wrote:
>> Hello all,
>>
>> Feel free to point it out if I have missed something obvious, I have done a 
>> fair bit of investigation and haven't quite found the solution yet.
>>
>> We have some hardware that has been around for a while for the purpose of 
>> processing Genetic data and other related tasks.
>> To this end Galaxy fits the bill nicely in that it enables researchers to 
>> analyse data without being Linux geeks.
>>
>> The problem I have is that while the hand built galaxy server (running on 
>> SUSE for historical reasons) we have works to a point it is difficult to 
>> maintain and installing new tools and reference genomes is fiddly at best 
>> given that our server doesn't conform to the way the instructions for other 
>> systems expect it to work.
>>
>> We have had success using Cloudman on AWS to run training on how to use 
>> galaxy, and I would like to know more about how to customise and instance to 
>> contain all of the tools (mostly the NGS tools) we need by default.
>>
>> Ultimately we wont be able to use AWS to process much of the "real" data we 
>> have, because of a need to keep the data we are processing in-house due to 
>> ethics agreements. Fortunately we do have access to a modest pool of 
>> hardware (which is about to get bigger) to implement some kind of private 
>> cloud solution.
>>
>> How would I go about setting up a "private cloud" version of the cloudman 
>> style "galaxy instance on demand" system where researchers can start an 
>> instance, have it connect to a shared storage volume and process some data 
>> then terminate the instance? And is this even the best way to go?
>>
>> I have found it should be possible to use the scripts to install and 
>> configure the galaxy instances but I have not found any information on how 
>> to setup the environment that is required to make this work as a private 
>> cloud.
>>
>> Conversely I have found information about some private cloud scenarios such 
>> as Eucalyptis, and OpenStack but have not been able to join the dots to 
>> determine how to and if I can make the cloudman/galaxy usecase work on it.
>
> I think the way to do this would be to setup OpenStack and then install and 
> configure CloudMan on your OpenStack cloud. I am not aware of something like 
> CloudMan that deploys Galaxy without an existing cloud infrastructure. I have 
> done this to some extent, I have put together some (dated) scripts for 
> bootstrapping CloudMan on OpenStack still used by my old employer (MSI):
>
> https://github.com/jmchilton/cloudman_openstack_bootstrap
>
> A more modern starting point would be to extend the CloudBioLinux deployer 
> instructions and scripts targeting Amazon for OpenStack (this will require 
> some (small?) development effort though):
>
> https://github.com/chapmanb/cloudbiolinux/blob/master/deploy/cloudman.md
>
> Either path will take a lot of sys-admin-y work though.
>
> I hope I don't get in trouble for saying this, but my personal opinion is you 
> should not do this though :). If you consider managing Galaxy fiddly (a fair 
> criticism) than redoing everything an a cloudy manner is going to be several 
> orders of magnitude more fiddly and more work.
> I have deployed OpenStack and worked with others doing another deployment, it 
> will take a good system administrator months of effort to do this well and 
> then it will take some amount of her or his time each week ongoing to 
> maintain that layer of the infrastructure. Then instead of installing and 
> maintaining Galaxy, you will have to do that still but with the added 
> complexity of CloudMan.
>
> CloudMan works well on Amazon  because you have a corporation full of amazing 
> engineers operating the infrastructure, you have Dannon and Enis doing a 
> heroic job configuring Galaxy and CloudMan, and dozens of users find and 
> reporting problems. Trying to replicate that all yourself is quite 
> difficult...
>
>>
>> I should mention that I'm primarily a Windows Sys Admin (who dabbles in 
>> Linux) who is looking at this due to a lack of a dedicated Linux admin.
>
> This is going to require more than dabbling...
>
>>
>> At the end of the day I need to be able to setup this system and make it as 
>> low maintenance as possible whilst being useful and accessible to the 
>> researchers who aren't Linux admins.
>
> Ekkk....
>
>>
>> Any advice gratefully accepted.
>
> It is all going to be on Amazon someday, work to make that happen sooner?
>
> If you are more comfortable with Windows, you could buy some sort of VMware 
> server solution and try to create a simple gold standard VMware image of 
> something that just contains Galaxy and just spin up single instances on a 
> per project basis. Ultimately though the easiest number of Galaxy instances 
> to manage is 1 :).
>
> Sorry this e-mail is kind of pessimistic, hopefully more well adjusted people 
> will respond with happier advice.
>
> -John
>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Alistair
>>
>>
>>
>>
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