hi all, before anyone starts getting to in-depth about this topic, i'd just like to point out that ivan is currently not a member of this list. after much discussion between myself and tom and raul, he was temporarily removed from the list a week or so ago. mainly due to his attitude to other members and the misleading (some may even call it blatent lying) about the game he was supposed to be working on. i am telling you all this as i do not want the list cluttered up with useless messages aimed at ivan when he won't be able to read them. by all means comment on what liam has posted, but please remember the list guidelines! just because the member in question is not here, doesn't mean it's ok to abuse him. Kevin - owner of the audyssey gamers discussion list at: www.audyssey.org contact me via email/msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Liam Erven" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gamers Discussion list" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 7:23 AM Subject: [Audyssey] blaytont Forgery regarding Ivan
> I was given permission by the mods to post this so that everyone knows what's going on. I'm not hear to start a flame war. > > Let me first start by sayign that I have no ill will towards anyone wanting to start developing games. In fact I've had the pleasure of actually helping a few people get their feet wet when it comes to programming. The issue I have is when things like the below happen. > > As you all know, Ivan was rather ambitious about his new project. You may have seen Brandon's message to the list a few days ago. Ivan had sent him source code which had no resemblance to only code that is writable by a human. I'm not here to dog on Ivan for lying. Here's my problem. > > This morning, Brandon alerted me to a trailer Ivan had recorded. The file was shifted down by 3 semi tones for some reason, and the file was of Ivan explaining his new game and giving a demonstration of it. As I love to do, I took the file in to sound forge and decided to play with it. I knew the file wasn't naturally recorded the way it was, so I shifted it up. To my amazement, the file sounded very much like Super Liam. I had originally thought that maybe he had sampled the sounds. Upon closer listening and some compression work, I found unmistakable proof that the game had actually been recorded and the sounds shifted down. I was absolutely furious. What Ivan was attempting to do was to play my own product, and then to say that what he was playing was his own creation. It does not work like that. that is balytonly against the law. I think Ivan may have some pathological lying issues, but I am not here to judge. I just want to make this clear. If anyone ever receives a trailer that sounds lik > e it may be of another developers product, let them know. We spend long hours working hard to bring games to the masses, and we don't respect when children think that they can get away with changing a few sounds and calling the game there own. > > I certainly don't want to discourage people from developing computer games, but please be realistic and don't ly about what you have or haven't done. It will only hurt you in the end. I'm afraid Ivan's reputation has been fairly damaged due to this and other events. > > I am not sure if I had the go ahead to post this, but if anyone wanted to hear the file it can be found at. > http://www.liamerven.com/ivansgame.ogg > > I hope that everyone can take something positive away from this. > > Liam > _______________________________________________ > Gamers mailing list .. [email protected] > To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make > any subscription changes via the web. > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.9/382 - Release Date: 04/07/2006 > _______________________________________________ Gamers mailing list .. [email protected] To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
