Hi Charles, No problem. Like I said things in Android land is very unpredictable, and everyone is having an issue getting the right models of phone and the latest software packages which is causing a lot of confusion in the blind Android user community. There are good phones, and they are getting better all the time but a blind user really needs to be informed of what they are buying.
Take LG for example here. I have heard some good things about the G2 phones being sold by Verizon. There is a discussion about the LG G2 phones on the Eyes Free mailing list, and from what I've been reading it is very accessible out of the box. Older LG phones without the latest Android updates may not be as accessible which would cause confusion for a non-Android user who doesn't know the difference from one make and model of phone from another. :D That said, I think right now for the average blind user the iPhone is really the better choice. the accessibility is a bit ahead of Android, more accessible apps, and is more universal from phone to phone. The Android is better suited to the blind user who doesn't mind experimentation, who doesn't mind testing hardware and software, and who doesn't mind working with the developer to improve things that don't work quite right. In short, a programmer like myself who frequently beta tests things just because I like messing around with technology for the fun of it. Cheers! On 11/11/13, Charles Rivard <[email protected]> wrote: > I got my info from users of LG phones that subscribe to a list for blind > Verizon phone users, and I figured that it was up to date. The issues you > mention must be the reason for my inaccuracy, and I apologize for it being > so. Thanks. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Thomas Ward" <[email protected]> > To: "Gamers Discussion list" <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 1:54 PM > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] phones - Re: Any Accessible Android Games > > >> Hi Charles, >> >> No offense, but please stop spouting old information like this. Most >> newer LG phones don't have this problem, and have not had them for >> quite some time. I do not know where you are getting your information, >> but I can say the problem you speak of is not an issue on an LG phone >> running a recent version of Droid OS. Things are moving very rapidly >> in terms of Android accessibility and both the OS and Talkback are >> being updated very rapidly. So something you heard a year ago, six >> months ago, or three months ago may not be true today. Know what I >> mean? >> >> If you really want to know what is going on Suggest you head over to >> the Eyes Free mailing list, sign up, and follow the discussions as >> that is really the only way to keep up to date with what is going on. >> I know that I found a couple of web sites that discussed this or that >> didn't work on Android, were not accessible, only to find out on the >> Eyes Free list that issue had ben resolved a couple of months back. >> Point being is I think the problem we have with Android is there is a >> lot of old out of date information being passed around by well meaning >> people who don't use Android, but are only going by what they have >> heard. Therefor much of what has been said is either false, out of >> date, or simply misinformation. >> >> Of course, what Cara said earlier is true as well. There are so many >> different phones running different versions of Droid OS that one >> person's experience wit say a Samsung Galaxy S3 won't be the same as >> someone running a Droid Razor MX. The difference is so drastic that >> one person will have a good experience and the other may have a bad >> one all because he or she picked the wrong phone. As a result of this >> confusion Android doesn't have a good rep among blind and low vision >> users even though in the hands of the right user and the right phone >> might be a decent alternative to an iPhone. >> >> I guess the thing that makes an iPhone stand out is there is a similar >> user experience regardless of the phone, and accessibility is stable >> and just works. There is no worries about if a person has the right >> phone, right version of the OS,and if app x will work. >> >> Cheers! >> >> >> On 11/8/13, Charles Rivard <[email protected]> wrote: >>> Those are not fully accessible. Unless things have changed, LG phones >>> speak >>> >>> through the first few layers of their menus, then quit speaking. >>> >>> --- >>> Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "shaun everiss" <[email protected]> >>> To: "Gamers Discussion list" <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 5:30 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Any Accessible Android Games >>> >>> >>>> Well with things as they are people are pointing at the lg nexus >>>> phones. >>>> >>>> At 09:23 AM 11/9/2013, you wrote: >>>>>Hello everyone, >>>>> >>>>>I've been comparing an Apple iPhone with a Samsung Galaxy, and so far >>>>>I think in many ways I personally prefer the Galaxy S4 over the Apple >>>>>iPhone 5. It has a bigger touch screen, I liked the way the icons were >>>>>arranged, the user interface was nicer in some ways, and I felt >>>>>Android 4.2 has nearly the same accessibility with Talkback as iOS and >>>>>VoiceOver. There were a few things where VoiceOver was a tad bit >>>>>better in terms of accessibility, but it was not worth the higher >>>>>price tag in my opinion. However, to get to the point before I buy an >>>>>Android phone I want to know what if any accessible games are >>>>>available for the platform? >>>>> >>>>>I believe there was a game called Stem Stumper and I think there was >>>>>one called Lockpick or something like that. Is that all there is or is >>>>>there a growing market of accessible games for Android I don't know >>>>>about? >>>>>I am aware that the blind and low vision community as a whole is >>>>>pretty much madly in love with Apple iOS right now, but there has to >>>>>be some accessible games available for Android. 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