Dear Mr. Ward, You are quite clever, so I'm quite sure that you could have given Ishaan a number of names that would be insulting. I, of course, should not attempt such a thing, for fear of being banned.
I call you Mr. Ward as a sign of respect and nothing else. I intend to be formal with people who I do not know well. Though you've shared certain personal troubles, I do not know you well. Signed, Steven -----Original Message----- From: Gamers [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 4:39 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Gamers Digest, Vol 104, Issue 142 Send Gamers mailing list submissions to [email protected] To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [email protected] You can reach the person managing the list at [email protected] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Gamers digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: PCS Games history, was first audio game. (Thomas Ward) 2. Re: previous topic of interactive fictions whichIstarted. (Thomas Ward) 3. Re: previous topic of interactive fictions which I started. (Thomas Ward) 4. Re: previous topic of interactive fictions which Istarted. (Thomas Ward) 5. Throwaway Tech was Previous Topic of Interactive Fiction (Thomas Ward) 6. Re: champion Curry-Muncher (Thomas Ward) 7. Re: previous topic of interactive fictions which Istarted. (Lisa Hayes) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 03:06:06 -0400 From: Thomas Ward <[email protected]> To: Gamers Discussion list <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] PCS Games history, was first audio game. Message-ID: <caafbg13j-3kl2qf+lnjptu9dyqo9yhbmgzpwdb0yffixex6...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Shaun, Yes, but in practice it doesn't quite work out that way. I have tried running some older Dos games and applications on a 32-bit version of Windows 7, and they didn't run correctly and were prone to crash. As a result the last version of Windows where I could run a lot of Dos stuff error free happens to be XP. For example, take Wrestling League Manager. Its an older Dos game for Dos written in the mid 90's. When I run it on Windows 7 I can play it a while and it will lock up and need to be kill din task manager. If I go run it in an XP virtual machine it runs error free. Obviously, there is something about Windows 7 and older Dos apps that causes them to lockup and crash since it happens quite frequently on Windows 7. On 10/21/14, shaun everiss <[email protected]> wrote: > well any 32 bit os should support dos apps win7 should for example, > however I hardly play dos apps these days. ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 03:11:52 -0400 From: Thomas Ward <[email protected]> To: Gamers Discussion list <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] previous topic of interactive fictions whichIstarted. Message-ID: <caafbg10z7szs7r3+gun0fr8ywaoaz2mdszkayi7vocwrjr0...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Dark, That's possible I suppose. I'm not sure what it is myself but whatever is responsible there does seem to be a narrow minded focus by some gamers to exclude everything and anything that isn't the latest and greatest console games which is sad. On 10/21/14, dark <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Tom. > > while your probably correct on less than perfect parenting, at the > same time > > I don't really see this as a shift in games. > > After all it's been a common thing ever sinse the first tv, and there > were certainly plenty of parents in the 80's and 90's who saw their > games consoles as an excuse for child minding. Remember, Roald Dahl > included the character Mike Tv in Charley and the Chocolate factory to > lampoon that sort > > of behaviour, and that was a book published in the late 60's before > anyone had ever considdered computer games as entertainment. > > I don't personally think parents expecting kids to go off and amuse > themselves with something electronic is particularly new, or that the > narrow > > minded experience is that much of a change. The only major difference > is the > > far greater availability of games and the way some companies not only > churn > > them out somewhat indiscriminately, but also that often they include > mechanics that are inherently meant to addict the player to repetitive > actions rather than providing an actual challenge that could be > stimulating > > to the brain. > > Beware the grue! > > Dark. > > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ [email protected] If you want to leave the > list, send E-mail to [email protected]. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the > list, please send E-mail to [email protected]. > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 03:18:04 -0400 From: Thomas Ward <[email protected]> To: Gamers Discussion list <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] previous topic of interactive fictions which I started. Message-ID: <caafbg10m2jgapbjos3yivhwyr53aw_z2_j6w4w-dyqgnxbj...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Shaun, Seriously, it isn't rocket science. I can think of a number of interactive fiction games that would be fine for children. Take the Infocom games just as an example. They are clean, designed for people of all ages, and are some great text adventures to play. At least most of them are. Just as an example I could see sharing games like Arthur, Zork, Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy, etc with a child. However, it wouldn't be a good idea to share Leather Goddesses of Phobos with a kid since that is definitely more for adults. A little common sense here on what is and is not age appropriate goes a long way. On 10/21/14, shaun everiss <[email protected]> wrote: > one thing ishen is I am not sure what games would be good for > children, when I started I was into the net and in my late teens so I > didn't care much about what I played. > if the plot was good then I played it but if I didn't like it it got > dumped. ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 03:21:02 -0400 From: Thomas Ward <[email protected]> To: Gamers Discussion list <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] previous topic of interactive fictions which Istarted. Message-ID: <caafbg11ivejtv0yq0qxlqhqyg+rnna-vclc9m713f3ujf-7...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Shaun, You have totally gotten off topic. The subject here is interactive fiction games. Not Xbox or accessible games for the PC like SoundRTS, Kitchens Inc, etc. Please, remember to stick to the subject. Thanks. On 10/21/14, shaun everiss <[email protected]> wrote: > most of the kitchensinc titles are ok, the rs and quentin c client > onlline games are good, soundrts may be quite good but I am not sure > how to run it over lan. > or get a server for that sorted. > any of the all in play things to. > Any stratogy game though whould be ok, any sports game to. > side scrollers maybe not sure but probably not fps games. > You may have better success if you 8used a console. the xbox 360 has > dropped in price since the 1 came out, there is the ps4 3 2 and 1 and > maybe a few others to. ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 03:49:39 -0400 From: Thomas Ward <[email protected]> To: Gamers Discussion list <[email protected]> Subject: [Audyssey] Throwaway Tech was Previous Topic of Interactive Fiction Message-ID: <CAAfBG12D2od7Lo+ZKY52gwzD6TKuu=ub7a+xjrvet5ul-4a...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Shaun, Well, it is true that in a lot of places in the world some people take technology for granted, and new computers, cell phones, and other things are now regarded as throwaway technology. I think one reason for that is because the cost has drastically dropped over the last ten to twenty years. It has made it inexpensive to own and thus easy to throwaway and replace as desired for some people. For example, when I was in college I purchased my first laptop for note taking etc. It cost me $1,800 USD brand new from Best Buy. Nowadays I can walk into any Walmart and pick up a brand new laptop for like $325 if I just want a cheap and affordable laptop. Basically, in the span of about fifteen years the cost has dropped to the point I could buy about five new laptops for the price of one I could have purchased in the late 90's. So much so that it costs as much to replace the hardware in them as it is to by new outright in a lot of cases. That said, it is mainly people with lots of money to spend who are doing that. Blind computer users generally are on fixed incomes so can't just run out and buy a new laptop anytime a new model comes onto the market. It is hard enough to get them to upgrade their software like buying a new Windows version let alone the entire computer system. As someone who has fallen on hard times I understand where they are coming from. If we consider the average blind American on SSI makes about$720 per month it is pretty hard to justify spending $325 on a new laptop every so often just to get a software and hardware upgrade when there are more important things like rent, electric, food, and other things that need to be paid. Let me say that $720 doesn't go far these days, and so it is no wonder blind users are less likely than the mainstream public to join the ranks of those who throw away old technology after it is a few months old. With all that in mind as an audio game developer I need to consider that, and do more to be backward compatible than someone like Microsoft just because I can't depend on my customers to upgrade as often as the general public. So while you have a point that we are living in a throwaway society, too much tech as become throwaway tech, it must be remembered it is only certain segments of the population who do that sort of thing. Cheers! On 10/21/14, shaun everiss <[email protected]> wrote: > you are so right tom, sadly these days most get the graphical world > and thats all they know. > its one of my laments on computer stuff. > In the day my day if something went wrong you actually tried to > replace it or fix it. > now, if something goes wrong a recovery disk, a reformat will fix it > but your average yung person wouldn't know what dos was anymore. > and if something breaks or even if it doesn't they are ready to > replace it to quickly. > An example, my cousin brought a brand new phone last year. > It was barely a few months old, it still worked fine but he sold it > because it was not the latest and got another one, at full price. > When I have a computer and not to many years ago, you only replaced it > if the gbattery exploded, the drivves failed or the case melted. > You ran all your boxes into the ground. > People sadly do not think like that anymore. ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 04:17:15 -0400 From: Thomas Ward <[email protected]> To: Gamers Discussion list <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] champion Curry-Muncher Message-ID: <caafbg115w8hnqo0dju2euwfmd7npp35-mvkq8j3foa3qks_...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Dark, No, Ishan is from India not South Africa. In any case my intent was not to say anything quite as insulting as Curry-Face which I have heard before and know to be fairly insulting. Even if I hadn't heard it before it would sound insulting just by the context. However, speaking of cultural differences I know that when I was in college a lot of people use to make fun of the Indian women they saw around camp is. A lot of them would have cast markings on their foreheads, basically a red dot to show they were unmarried, and of course American students would joke about it around their backs calling them disrespectful names like dots, dotties, dot-heads, button-heads, and similar things which really were insulting. While I would agree with them putting such cast markings on their foreheads seems to me a bit silly or ridiculous I also know it isn't nice to make fun of them for it since they come from a completely different culture where such things are not only common it is expected behavior. In any case I was only joking with Ishan, and no offense was intended. I was more annoyed with him calling me Champion, Mr. Champion, or some variant than I was interested in giving him a verbally insulting name. If I wanted to do that I certainly could have found a number of ways to do that. On 10/21/14, dark <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Tom. > > This is probably a cultural thing, but in England I've often heard > things like "Curry face" or similar remarks about indian food", used > in quite a racist way against people from India on packistan. For > example there was a reality program a while ago where one of the > contestants got into severe trouble for constantly calling an Indian Lady "miss poppadom" > > Of course it's all about intention, however I must admit I was a > little surprised when I saw you using the phrase, even though I know > your intention > > to be innocent and you wouldn't for example, (the way some British > people do > > when using such terms), call everyone from India "curry face" or > similar as > > a general thing. > > Btw, isnt' Ishen from South Africa? I don't know what the sort of > national food is like over there, but perhaps "curry" doesn't exactly fit. > > Beware the grue! > > Dark. ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 19:38:50 +1100 From: "Lisa Hayes" <[email protected]> To: "Gamers Discussion list" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] previous topic of interactive fictions which Istarted. Message-ID: <5030EE5D649640F89165ED29788B91D7@LISA> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original i"ve got to agree Thomas, wishbringer and moonmist are good general games. Lisa Hayes www.nutrimetics.com.au/lisahayes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Ward" <[email protected]> To: "Gamers Discussion list" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 6:18 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] previous topic of interactive fictions which Istarted. > Hi Shaun, > > Seriously, it isn't rocket science. I can think of a number of > interactive fiction games that would be fine for children. Take the > Infocom games just as an example. They are clean, designed for people > of all ages, and are some great text adventures to play. At least most > of them are. > > Just as an example I could see sharing games like Arthur, Zork, Hitch > Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy, etc with a child. However, it wouldn't be > a good idea to share Leather Goddesses of Phobos with a kid since that > is definitely more for adults. A little common sense here on what is > and is not age appropriate goes a long way. > > > > On 10/21/14, shaun everiss <[email protected]> wrote: >> one thing ishen is I am not sure what games would be good for >> children, when I started I was into the net and in my late teens so >> I didn't care much about what I played. >> if the plot was good then I played it but if I didn't like it it got >> dumped. > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ [email protected] If you want to leave the > list, send E-mail to [email protected]. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the > list, please send E-mail to [email protected]. ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer --- Gamers mailing list __ [email protected] If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [email protected]. 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