Hi Dark, I believe your Windows analogy is pretty close a comparison as we can get. Not exactly the same situation, but close enough for comparison that the concepts carry over.
As you said Leasy costs no more than it ever has and I believe Brian has purchased Q9 to include in Leasey as a sort of freebie the way the Windows games are for Windows users. Although, I believe a standard Windows DVD costs like $125 nobody can accuse Microsoft of essentially charging $125 for Solitaire, Hearts, Minesweeper, and their other games simply because they are considered by Microsoft as add-ons or freebies included with the Windows package as a whole. From their perspective you are not so much buying those games as you are buying an operating system complete with multiple programs such as media players, text editors, games, web browsers, etc. To accuse them of selling games for $125 wouldn't make sense from their point of view. Leasey seems to be a similar situation. Brian sees, rightly or wrongly, Q9 as being another nifty add-on to Leasey. He does not see it as selling a game since he is selling a bunch of scripts as well as a package or suite of programs to the end user. You buy one you get all, and thus he sees it as a package deal even though the majority of gamers just want the game itself. The only thing I can think of that is sort of similar to this situation is Internet Explorer. Long ago, we are talking the early 1990's, Internet Explorer use to be a stand alone program. A person went out and purchased a computer with say MS Dos 6.2 and Windows 3.1 on it, and had to buy Internet Explorer separate if they wanted it. When Windows 95 came out Microsoft bundled Internet Explorer as part of the Windows 95 release, and stopped selling Internet Explorer to Windows 3.1 customers. Unfair some might say, but from Microsoft's point of view they were giving it away for free now that it was bundled in their latest operating system rather than sold separately. Some 20 years later nobody cares because it has for the most part all been forgotten about, and I suspect there are many on this very list that have never used anything prior to Windows 95 so don't know or remember the days when Internet Explorer was not a freebie. I said all that to make the point that Brian is undoubtedly viewing Q9 as some freebie, an add-on, to his Leasey package and does not consider the money he is losing by not selling it separately. I suspect that he purchased it with the soul aim of boosting sales of Leasey, of having exclusive content, that can only be gotten by getting Leasey. While that is rotten, unfair, sucks, I can remember similar cases where companies like Microsoft have done the same sort of thing but people have forgotten about it. Leasey customers are unlikely to know or care that Q9 was once sold separately and over time the people who know and remember that will slowly fade. Even if they don't they have no control over the situation so at this point I consider the matter a mute point since nobody here can make a difference. Cheers! On 8/10/15, dark <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Josh. > I've heard this arguement that "the game is now worth 200 usd" before, but > that is just looking at it from one perspective. > From Brian Hartgen's point of view he has bought Q9 to essentially be a > bonus. > It's like the solitare and other games that comes with windows. It would be > > foolish to say that "microsoft are selling a solitare game for $300" (or > however much a windows install costs these days), it's that microsoft are > selling windows as the main operating system and solitare, pinball, spades > etc come as a freee extra. > > That is how I believe Brian Hartgen is viewing Q9. he sells Leasy for 200 > usd which is the same price he's always sold it for, and people get a fun > little game as a "look at this freebee!" item. > > The problem though is Q9 is not like solitare. it's not just a fun little > time waster, it is a well crafted game that has had significant work put > into it, which is exactly why I accuse Brian of devaluing what he has > bought, indeed while I hold Philip generally blaimeless in the matter, I am > > extremely sorry that Philip didn't sell the rights to the game to another, > more responsable person who recognized the worth of what they had rather > than thinking "oh game, worth not much, I'll throw it in for free" > > I'm also dissappointed that this moron Brian, even though he clearly did not > > know the value of what he had didn't change his thinking once he recieved so > > many complaints. Whether he is hoping people will buy leasy just for the > game, or whether (as I personally believe is more likely), he is sticking to > > his guns just to be bloody minded after recieving lots of cryticism becuase > > he assumes he knows best I can't say. Either way it clearly shows me that > he's not just ignorant of games but ignorant of good business if once he > gets something which people planely want to buy, he refuses to sell it > individually. > > As I said, I personally believe at this stage he's just being bloody > mindedd, or possibly missunderstanding how many none jaws using, none leasy > > using potential customers there would be for the game if he sold it, hell he > > could always still! give it out free with leasy if he desired and! sell it > individually. > > Either way, I'm sorry Phillip sold his game to such an ignorant berk! > > Beware the grue! > > Dark. > > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ [email protected] > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > [email protected]. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, > please send E-mail to [email protected]. > --- Gamers mailing list __ [email protected] If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [email protected]. 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