Hmm. It's too bad Macs don't have a mud client that reads automaticly yet. 
Then again, I guess Linux is the better OS here again in terms of the screen 
reader because it's been worked on even before VoiceOver even existed. I do 
suppose with each OS release VO is getting better but I think it'll be a 
long way from Orca and such. Also, I wonder how with VMware Fusion how to 
install Linux. I'm seriously thinking of trying it out, thing is I just want 
linux, and there's so much packages available. I just wish there was a self 
installer that'd just install the gnome thing and be done with it.
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From: "constantine (on laptop)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> I'm running xp pro on all my machines. If I ever get a sony vaio, it won't
> have vista- I hate it. I only wonder how much longer sony will be 
> providing
> drivers for xp, sigh. I'd love to run Ubuntu on this HP laptop, I just 
> don't
> know if I'll be able to get drivers for it- better yet, run it on an older
> desktop I have. I agree with you about the motherboard, that's dumb- buy a
> new license? No way! And Microsoft office- I don't even have it hear. 
> People
> are telling me get ms office! at school. I tell them to give me 400 
> dollars
> and I will. I hardly use excel, power point and whatnot. I'm proficient
> enough with them, so why bother buying something I'll never use when 
> they're
> is a free alternitive? In terms of games, I only mud, it would have been
> neat to see VMud go to linux.
>
>
>
>
>
> Have a good day from Tyler C. Wood!
>
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> AMD Turion(tm) 64 Mobile Technology ML-37 2.0 GHZ, 1024 mb DDR ram, 
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> From: "Thomas Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org>
> Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 7:43 PM
> Subject: [Audyssey] Linux vs Windows was Windows 7
>
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>> Hi Tom,
>> Well, Linux is definitely at the point that a blind user could
>> technically adopt it as his or her only operating system. I generally
>> use Ubuntu Linux 8.04 much more than Windows Vista or XP these days.
>> Thanks to major accessibility improvements to the graphical Gnome
>> desktop environment over the passed five years there is quite a growing
>> number of Windows-like applications available to a blind Linux user such
>> as: a MS Office clone called Open Office, a MS Outlook clone called
>> Evolution, Mozilla Firefox 3.0, a notepad clone called gedit, a Winzip
>> clone called File-Roller, etc.
>> However, like a lot of blind Linux users I do keep a Windows computer on
>> hand for a few apps that I can't either get for Linux or the Windows
>> applications are just nicer to use. For example, Linux doesn't really
>> currently offer a really good OCR package. There are a few OCR programs
>> such as tesserad-ocr which works, but Openbook 8 blows it away in
>> scanning clarity, with its scan and read features, etc. On a low budget
>> PC something like Tesserad-ocr and a Linux compatible scanner will work.
>> However, Openbook is certainly prefered if you have the money to spend
>> for it. Since I already own a license for Openbook 8 I don't  have any
>> problems keeping a Windows work station around for scanning materials.
>> Another application I use on Windows is Sony Soundforge 9. While there
>> is a pretty decent sound editor for Linux, Audacity, it isn't Soundforge
>> quality. As agame designer and musician I want the best and most
>> accessible sound editing software possible. So that expensive software
>> alone is one reason I keep Windows around rather than using a Linux
>> alternative at this time.
>> Finally, there is the issue of accessible gaming. Most of the new games
>> coming out are Windows only such as the Kitchens Inc games, GMA Games,
>> Shades of Doom, etc. That puts a Linux user in the position of trying to
>> get wine, the Windows emulator, to run them, use avirtual machine, or
>> keepp a Windows box around for gaming. That isn't to say gaming on Linux
>> is non-existant.
>> Most of the Adrift 4.0 games can be played with scare 3.9 and later.
>> They are fairly accessible, and many Linux gaming hours have been spent
>> playing The PK Girl and other Adrift games.
>> Also there is a Linux port of fritz. Once you apt-get it from the Ubuntu
>> update service you can play the inform interactive fiction games. So
>> between scare and fritz that gives a Linux user several text adventures
>> to play.
>> The latest release of gnome-mud seams to be quite accessible and user
>> friendly. You can play Diskworld, Alter Eon, Miriani, or any other mud
>> using gnome-mud.
>> Then, there is your web based games like Sryth. I've found it tricky to
>> play using Firefox for Linux, but can be done. I haven't tried other
>> games besides Sryth, but generally if they work with Firefox for Windows
>> you can play them in Firefox for Linux too.
>> As you might have read I am rewriting all of my games with a new
>> multiplatform engine so I can enjoy them on a Mac, Linux, or Windows PC.
>> I've come to relise that far too many developers are so dependant on
>> Windows only technologies most don't even know how to break loose from
>> it and take a wider view of the computing world. Microsoft, the evil
>> empire, while not a monopoly per say, still holds a solid 80% of the
>> software market. That is too bad, because for ablind user Mac OS and
>> Linux are a much cheaper alternative. Since the screen readers come
>> built into the operating systems that is $300 per year you could save
>> instead of paying for a yearly SMA on your Windows screen reader.
>> The office software I use, Open Office 2.4 for Linux, came pre-installed
>> with Ubuntu 8. It can import and export Word and Excel files, and cost
>> me nothing to own. That is sure better than paying $450 USD for MS
>> Office 2007 Pro. That again is money I could spend on other things.
>> Over the passed year after seeing how much money I was personally
>> spending to keep my Windows  computers operating, and getting stuck with
>> lots of anti-piracy restrictions on top of it. Especially, when my
>> motherboard failed, and Microsoft told me point blank to buy a new copy
>> of Vista I said, "to heck with that crap." I legally paid for that
>> software, but because Vista's anti-piracy software saw the new hardware
>> installed it told me I was pirating it, and that wasn't true. In the end
>> Microsoft believed their software instead of me.
>> So for me using Linux is my choice to get away from all that corperate
>> mentality that everyone has millions of bucks to blow, that the software
>> has to come with lots of anti-piricy protection, and to top it of when
>> Vista was first released it didn't even have a complete driver library
>> and bugs up the rear. So I feel why pay x money when there is an os that
>> has better stability, reasonable accessibility, and most of the programs
>> I need are for free. In fact, this message was written in Evolution for
>> Linux.
>>
>> Tom Randoll Wrote:
>>> Hey thanks for this Thomas, this ought to be handy as I am considering
>>> setting up my spare box as a Linux machine.  It would be interesting to
>>> know if there are folks out there particularly blind ones who are just
>>> running Linux.  What I tend to find with the people that I know around
>>> here who run it is that they tend to have a Linux system and a windows
>>> system or two partitions on the same system.  This is because they want
>>> to run Linux when they can and they need to have windows to run a
>>> specific application or do something that can't be done very well in
>>> Linux.  Now that I think of it I believe that you fall into that camp
>>> yourself if memory serves.  So what if anything do you find Windows to
>>> be indispensable for?  I have personally become so disgusted with
>>> Microsoft's policies and lack of quality control that when the stuff I
>>> have will no longer run I will probably be looking for a serious
>>> alternative to Windows.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Tom
>>
>>
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