Hi,
The articles appeared to have no credible information at all; from start to finish, they kept naming "one youth" who said "this or that." Very rarely did they mention names, and to me that's suspicious as far as their content and research is concerned.


Further, they explained their arguments by asking questions. For instance, they ask "Could not such games cultivate an unhealthy curiosity about demonic forces?" Does this question really prove anything? My answer to that is, no. Sure, some may argue that those types of questions get you to think, but the way I see things, there is no point in asking a rhetorical question if you will not answer it. I see their "findings" as a bunch of logical fallacies, saying things like "If x represents y, then can't Y be harmful for the child?" Maybe if they had more credible information instead of "as one youth put it," I would be more open to their articles. For now, though, I have dismissed it as an attempt of so-called "religious fundamentalism" trying to destroy monotheism again.

The authors commit an obvious fallacy when they mention the Bible's viewpoint on magic, and then state that games are teaching magic today. In a game, you are not taught how to wave a wand, concentrate your thoughts, go in to a state of meditation, curse people, etc. All you do is press buttons. If the power goes out, well, there goes your little magic trick. Why do the same people who condemn such games say it is okay to play online poker as long as you are not playing for money? Forget about magic, and focus on condemning gambling first--which is a much more realistic issue.

I agree that certain types of games are not suited for children, but that has nothing to do with the "Christian viewpoint"--anyone, anywhere, can tell you that much. Instead of saying "that is what a good faithful Christian believes" the statement would be more correct if it said "that is what anyone in their right mind believes."
Munawar A. Bijani
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Darren Harris" <darren_g_har...@btinternet.com> To: "'Louise Keel'" <louise.k...@comproom.co.uk>; "'Gamers Discussion list'" <gamers@audyssey.org>
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 3:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] the Jehovah's witnesses viewpoint ongaming:3 articles


Absolutely. Also sometimes games can be a good way of stress relief as
well. Or if you're seriously annoyed at something you can vent that
annoyance in a game. Whether it be something like doom or anything else.
To my mind games are harmless. If kids for example get a hold of said
games then quite frankly it's the fault of the parents for either
allowing them to play them or not being watchful enough around their
kids. That said there are situations where by for example if said child
goes to a friends house and plays said game that's always a problem.

-----Original Message-----
From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org]
On Behalf Of Louise Keel
Sent: 09 September 2009 19:57
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] the Jehovah's witnesses viewpoint ongaming:3
articles


Hi everyone.

I too was raised as a Jehovah's witness and my childhood was blighted by
its
radicalism. I also quit as soon as I was able to, and it took some
doing!
The point is, parents do have the right to decide what kind of computer
and
video games they will allow their kids to play, because they are
parents.
But in my view, once you become an adult, no one, no one has the right
to
tell anyone else what they must or must not play for relaxation. This is
up
to everyone's indevidual conscience. I spend a lot of time smashing up
Old
Man Stanley's house. this does not mean I'm going to suddenly get it
into my
head to go out and start wrecking homes here. it's. a. game!

And I may also add, in case I may be accused of predjudice, that
Jehovah's
witnesses are far from the only Christian fundamentalists who try to
tell
others what to play, watch, listen to, read, think. It's not on. That
is, I
hasten to add, only my opinion.

Best

Lulu Keel.

Now faith, hope, love abide, these three. But the greatest of these is
love.
----- Original Message ----- From: "ChB" <chr1...@gmx.de>
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Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 7:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] the Jehovah's witnesses viewpoint on gaming:3
articles


To each his own, as long as nobody forces their religion or religious
organisations on me. Just do not like radicals among those groups, who

force their beliefs on their kids or abandon  them when they try
to get away from it. That is taking things to extremes.
chrissy

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From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org]

On Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 8:31 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] the Jehovah's witnesses viewpoint on
gaming: 3 articles

The important thing to remember is that all of us come from different
backgrounds and beliefs. So let's be careful here on list
when
responding to something like this.

Many thanks.

On 9/9/2009 1:50 PM, Nicol wrote:
Hi all
My mom  is  still today a jehovah' witness.
I was reared as a Jehovah witness but I have finally quit
them, deciding
that I do not find Jesus amongst them.
Anyway, my mom sent me 3 articles.
The articles comes from a  software package called
"watchtower library"
that baptized  Jehovah witnesses gets for a small price.
So my mom pulled the articles from there.
2 of them, reflects the view of the Jehovah witnesses
about pc and video
gaming.
Obviously, they are aming at the sighted gamer, but you
might find
interesting what  they had to say about computer and video
gaming. There is
an article about video and computer games in general  and
then there is an
article on role playing games where they made a few
negative comments.
I would very much like some of your's opinions on the
first and/or second
articles.
The third article is about toys children made themselves
in the ancient
days.
Please let me know what you think about these articles.
Me personally, I feel that the Jehovah witnesses is too
strict  but others
might differ  from me.

--
Raul A. Gallegos
http://www.asmodean.net

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