You can also use one of those levelers with a little watter on a paper towel. You put the "beeper" on the ball you want to hit then put it on the nearest hole. Just a thought.

Tim
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jacob Kruger" <jac...@mailzone.co.za>
To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org>
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 2:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Things like playing on a pool table


In that old simple pool game mentioned, you really just lined up the cue for
a shot, and then adjusted it slightly for a bit of spin, and power levels,
but you didn't even see the virtual environment or the players as such -
just the flat, 2d version of the pool table and it's balls.

I think some or other version of navigation/reference query would also be
good so you could ask it things like what other balls you were aiming
directly at, which side cushions/pockets etc., or maybe even implement a
form of grid layout as well to allow you to explore relative positioning or something - not really like it, but maybe similar to exploration mode in the
loadstone blind GPS software?

Also makes me think of something like miniature golf/putt putt...?

That last one would specifically be interesting if there were obstacles,
like 'funny' versions like beavis and butthead miniature golf that my wife
used to love playing - partly for the comments and sound effects.

Anyway, maybe this upcoming new year I'll try get myself in gear with trying out things like pool with the vOICe and the KSonar, and other things like my
pseudo planned offroad bike riding attempt - one day...LOL!

Stay well

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
'...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...'

----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Randall" <kf6...@comcast.net>
To: "'Gamers Discussion list'" <gamers@audyssey.org>
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 8:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Things like playing on a pool table


Hi Jacob and all.

This is a very interesting question, I do play pool quite a little bit in
the real world with a couple of sighted friends.  I am a total so what I
have to do is to have somebody tell me where the cue ball (the white one)
is
and then either carefully check around for what I think is a decent shot
or
else have the person point out some good ones if I am feeling lazy.  In
order to do this successfully you need to have good spatial concepts, e.g.
you have to know what angles are and to be able to at least somewhat
predict
what a ball will do when your cue ball strikes it at a certain angle. For
us there is unavoidably a certain amount of luck involved because there
just
get to be too many variables involved particularly when the table is
crowded
or if you are trying to do something like hit one ball into another in
order
to knock the second one into a pocket.  However this is true for the
sighted
as well if you are playing against the occasional or semiskilled player.
Using a k-sonar or similar device is an excellent idea, something that I
had
not considered.  I will have to try that once I get the battery in mine
replaced.  I also have something called a mowatt sensor, an older version
of
the k-sonar that I can try.

As for doing something like this in an accessible game, this is something
I've been thinking about for years.  How hard it would be would depend on
how complex you wanted the game to be, e.g. would you be able to move your
player around the table and find the cue ball or would it be a matter of
just lining up your shot because the game would put you at the closest
point
to the cue ball?  Personally I would not recommend the second approach
because it will not lend itself to a realistic game of pool, there are
times
when you have to lean way across the table or even use a device called a
bridge to extend your reach to line up a shot.  So, the mechanics of the
game could get pretty complex and I am frankly not sure how you would do
some of it, but I am pretty sure it could be figured out if enough people
were interested.

Well as you can probably tell, I have been thinking about this idea for a
while.  I think something like this would be loads of fun and definitely
something I'd be interested in if somebody took it on as a serious project
and made a realistic game out of it, adding online multiplayer capability
would be absolutely killer as well.

Game on.

Tom


-----Original Message-----
From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of Jacob Kruger
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 6:48 AM
To: gamers@audyssey.org
Subject: [Audyssey] Things like playing on a pool table


I know in the old days one of my relatively short time passing computer
games was playing pool on the computer, and at the recent pub2pub
fundraising walk, we got the sighties to try a shot or two on a pool table with blindfolds on, and in my one attempt I apparently hit the edge of the
corner pocket around 1.5cm off target with the red ball after hitting it
with the white ball using the pool cue from the other end of the table,
and
another thing have been thinking about trying one day would be a
combination

of a well lit pool table, with limited colours of target balls, and then
trying out using a combination of the vOICe, and maybe my KSonar to try
fine

tune my aim and see how close I could come to playing real pool on a pool
table, but in any case, just wondering if anyone has ever tried out a VI
gamers version of anything like a pool game?

I did also use to be relatively good at playing real pool on a pool table,
which also helps since I can still pretty much visualise the whole
situation, but anyway...

Stay well

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
'...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...'


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